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this hope radios for the masses at Lyon

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abyssal variety 1947 the Army Air Forces

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found and is now in the possession of

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Liana the game is rigged change game

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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in your health into the year 1985

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bespoke radio for the masses yeah man

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search what is cracking everybody yeah

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tonight tonight it's Richard bleeping

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Dolan ha ha man that's right he's back

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he is back we got a lot to talk about

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tonight lots of lots of stuff happened

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today out there in the world tomorrow

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night Corey Goode is going to be joining

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the show Thursday night is another fader

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diver John Rappaport and the zoomorphic

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good pic actually which ones Dolan Oh

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Dolan's on the right okay yeah that's

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all right chat rooms are open email is

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open Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm

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show tonight is hashtag f2b

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q all right all right Allison's already

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got a question up here and I don't even

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Wow that's a good question I'm going to

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save that let's save that for Richard

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he's smart

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he knows he knows what the deal is okay

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lots to talk about crazy news day today

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done The Stand Romanick trial ended

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yesterday and this morning the jury

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returned its verdict Romanek was found

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guilty on the first count of sexual

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exploitation of a child he was found not

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exploitation of children

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free on bond until sentencing now I want

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to I want to make something very clear

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to everybody after I posted all of the

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news on the Romanek trial yesterday and

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today all of the breaking news we had

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people in the courtroom that we're

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reporting back to us and providing us

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okay so we we we reported the news but

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the trial is over and he has been found

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guilty and I removed everything from

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facebook page I don't want to read it

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the trial is over it is done what I want

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this is a case about Stan Romanek and

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it's not about ufology okay I do not

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want the two of them to over

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lap and to be involved with each other

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because they are not okay there are

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that's point number one

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so I just don't want to talk about it

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anymore it's his personal thing if he

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wins on appeal and you know you get

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sentenced and many appeals everything

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and then wins on appeal there may be a

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conversation in the future about this

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but until then kick case is closed I

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just don't want to discuss it anymore

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point number two there are people out

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there that are supporting him that is

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fine and that is to be expected and

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there are those out there that feel that

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he was framed and set up and the

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evidence was planted well is that that's

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fine but that's not going to be

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discussed on this show it's just simply

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not okay it to me it is a completely

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depressing and sad situation for

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everybody involved and I'm just not

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going to get dragged down into it okay I

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did that once before with the Sandusky

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thing and it's just it's traumatic and

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just don't want to hear this stuff I

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guarantee you don't case is closed if it

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goes back to appeal and any wins then

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the third point is this if you really

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really really think about it there isn't

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a positive thing or angle to discuss in

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this case any further if there it's not

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the case is closed there is nothing to

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okay you know if he would have been

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found innocent and and tampering and

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planted evidence and was vindicated on

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that side then there is a discussion but

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right now there is not and I just want

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to make that very clear okay

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so I've done it I've done my duty I've

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reported it

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it's done it's over okay I'm not gonna

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get sucked into it and moving on okay

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it went down this is why you did right

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now what I'm about to whip out on you

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the old TV today is why you come to this

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show I bet you Richard bleep and Dolan

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knows this fact 1988 gangsta rap hits

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the mainstream with the release of NWA's

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straight out of Compton yeah yeah man

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it's a good album oh-ho-ho fader fact

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calorie that is a fader bag all right

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tonight very special guest Richard bleep

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and Dolan is here where we're going to

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we've got so many things to discuss

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tonight with Richard so just get ready

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for that we're gonna go into all of the

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zones that you are anticipating well at

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least he can well he doesn't know that

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yet you said to me go ahead Church lead

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the way

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my man so that's what I'm gonna do all

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right tomorrow night Corey Goode is

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more fake newsroom live followed by open

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now I set my alarms this morning there

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was a lot of things going down so I got

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up for the news today and the news

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went crazy and now I know that I don't I

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don't how do I say this

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I don't get involved in the news I just

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don't get involved but because most of

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it is propaganda but I've been talking

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over the last few weeks about this

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rhetoric and there's this heating up of

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things around the world and I'm talking

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about our relationships with Russia

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okay Germany China North Korea Venezuela

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and a few other of course there is Syria

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and Iraq and Iran and everything that

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all at the same time of course we can

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throw Israel in it's always there all at

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the same time is craziness right just

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flared up and now you have to stop and

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ask yourself I go and and as I read and

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I get my news selectively by reading and

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going to different news sources you know

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and when you see Reuters in there you

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know my you know my take on this but

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it's happening and it's crazy right well

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today early on the news cycle started

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with an intelligence report from the DIA

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where US intelligence analysts have

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assessed that North Korea has produced a

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miniaturized nuclear warhead and now I

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this this this was from a variety of

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sources okay it came out I'm going to

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talk about this it came out of different

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countries it came from different all at

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the same time now all of the reports

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over the last two years talking about

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and three years

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for years with all the nuclear tests

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that have been coming up in North Korea

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that they're 10 years away

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they're there 15 years away you know it

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no big deal no big deal let them tell

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you know this these are just wires

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hanging off these rudimentary devices

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and they're too big to put on a missile

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that'll never you know you can't trap

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you can't do bah-bah-bah right okay well

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then these ICBMs allegedly get launched

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two of them back-to-back and now the

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talk was Oh sometime next year it's

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possible right and then today we get

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this announcement and it got so dark

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today with this announcement that there

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were even reports that they had up to 60

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nuclear bombs built now with the

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sanctions that went down on North Korea

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over the weekend where their national

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GNP their intake is three billion

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dollars in trade and we're going to

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sanction them for a third of it a

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billion dollars okay all right that

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sounds pretty harsh where are they

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getting the money to develop and sustain

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not only that army but this kind of

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weapons development I asked you where

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how is this possible

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that a little teeny tiny country like

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that can be doing this and now it

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appears that they have a miniaturized

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nuclear weapon and they've got the

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missiles now to put these on to after

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the report was released president Donald

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Trump turns around and issued an

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extraordinary inflammatory insane

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ultimatum to North Korea did that

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earlier today warning Pyongyang not to

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dot not to make any more threats against

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the United States or they will and I'm

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quoting here face fire in theory like

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the world has never seen and quote I'm

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slow down really so I go I pulled the

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entire quote I why

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this photo op that he did today I

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watched it like 10 times just to make

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sure I'm not misunderstanding and here's

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the full quote quote North Korea does

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not make any more threats to the United

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States they will be met with fire and

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theory like the world has never seen he

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has been very threatening beyond a

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normal state they will be met with fire

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theory and frankly power the likes of

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which this world has never seen before

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end quote

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okay now it's starting to get out of

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control right and that was all by noon

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so anyway the US official familiar with

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the analysis of North Korea's missile

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and nuclear program says in reference to

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North Korea's leader Kim fatty fat and

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his boast about the program I'm quoting

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here we have to take him at his word and

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we need to be prepared to deal with it

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end quote this official said the

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assessment is continuing and it will be

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refined and updated as more intelligence

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is collected okay well it gets worse the

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officials all note that the evidence

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shows North Korea is making progress and

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the question is more about when if not

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North Korea is capable of launching a

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nuclear capable missile the assessment

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was reported just hours after North

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Korea threatened physical action in

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response to punitive sanctions

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unanimously passed by the United Nations

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Security Council over the weekend so

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minutes after that threat from Trump

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North Korea turns around and said that

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it is seriously considering a plan to

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fire missiles at Guam now let's be clear

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here

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Trump just said you threaten us again

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fire and fury is coming your way and

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gisun league a ballistic missile

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operation unit for the far north of

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Korea will review a plan to fire a

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mid-range ballistic missile at us island

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territory Guam on September 9th we've

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got a specific date today is August 8th

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in a statement released by state-run

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media the Korean People's Army is

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reportedly looking into striking Guam to

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subdue the United States military bases

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on the US territory particularly the

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Andersen Air Force Base where nuclear

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capable bombers are stationed a second

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statement not one but two released after

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that said North Korea and I'm quoting

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here to carry out a pre-emptive

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operations that the United States showed

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signs of provocation and quote now to be

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clear this was after Trump's warning to

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North Korea earlier today specifically

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the statement mentioned a potential

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strike on and I'm quoting here directly

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from the statement Andersen Air Force

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Base in which the US strategic bombers

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which get on the nerves of the DPRK and

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threaten and blackmail it through their

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frequent visits to the sky above South

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Korea that's where they are stationed

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and to send a serious warning signal to

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the United States

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end quote Kim fatty fat as of Showtime

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tonight North Korean Kim fatty fat have

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managed to keep their mouths shut for

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the last three hours but I have this

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strange gut feeling that we are now at a

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point that we have to start believing

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what these two men are saying and I'm

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talking about Trump and Kim fatty fat

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both have crossed the line they have

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clearly

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they have I respect Trump's position the

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the and the reason why I say that is the

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United States has allowed this thing to

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stay out of control for for

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administration after administration

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after administration thinking that China

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was going to keep them in check thinking

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that Russia was going to keep them in

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check and quite honestly that's what we

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were all hoping right and they weren't

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big enough they didn't have the money

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they didn't have visit you know the

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backwards army I realize they're Air

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Force doesn't have anything they got

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like twenty or thirty mid twenty nines

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and that's it everything else they've

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got mig-15s and 17th and 19th most of

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which aren't even flying and I get that

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they even have a couple of biplanes but

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and I'm not kidding about that so it's

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not that they do have fixed artillery

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Seoul Korea is thirty miles away from

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the DMZ I'm talking about artillery

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shells missiles yes but I'm talking

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about artillery shells will rain down on

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Seoul and I'm not so sure how this thing

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is supposed to be planned out we have

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28,000 troops

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United States troops stationed in the

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DMZ not a few hundred thousand right

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across that fence are you know they've

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got a million man army ready to go

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pitching it's a scary scary situation

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but they have both crossed the line and

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for Trump to finally just stand up and

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go look okay enough is enough no more

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threats I'm going to start taking you

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serious now you have a miniaturized

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weapon a nuclear weapon and you're

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saying this i've got i've got to draw

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the line here well he has and so has kim

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fatty fat and when you puff your chest

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out like that too many times somebody

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one or the other is going to take you at

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your word and react poke them in the

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chest come on man come on man come on in

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the united states come on come on we're

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going to bomb e we're going to bomb me

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working about you know and you get poked

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in the chest enough what do you expect

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to happen

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and it's also the other way around we're

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poking them in the chest

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pokey right here we go

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I'm getting a little nervous here

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yesterday

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Japan issued its own assessment of North

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Korea's nuclear capability yes

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a defense white paper commissioned by

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the Japanese government went as far as

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saying that Pyongyang was capable of

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miniaturizing a nuclear warhead that was

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yesterday today our dia did it the white

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paper stated that North Korea had

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reached a new stage in its weapons

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program following successful test of its

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intercontinental ballistic missiles in

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recent weeks quoting here from the white

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paper it says it is conceivable that

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North Korea's nuclear weapons program

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has already considerably advanced it is

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possible that North Korea has already

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achieved the miniaturization of nuclear

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bombs on to warheads and has acquired

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nuclear warheads Russia has been

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skeptical about North Korea's nuclear

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arms capability they for me they are the

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bright spot in the room like the voice

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of reason and but I don't know what to

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believe her to trust here Russia's

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foreign Deputy Minister Sergey of a

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Ryabov says that Pyongyang is years and

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years away from a moment it can

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weaponize a nuclear warhead and for me

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I'm like wiping my brow right but we've

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been hearing this over and over again we

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have and it is it's been our little ray

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of hope because we don't want a we don't

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want a war we don't which is we vet that

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could flare up and turn into something

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seriously seriously nasty and nuclear

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and we don't want that we don't want

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that anywhere on this planet for anybody

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so what is really going on here can it

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possibly chill out I don't know I really

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don't know and like I said at some point

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here we have to take somebody at their

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word somebody is going to take somebody

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at their word

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and whether it's Trump or Kim fatty fat

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or somebody or just something something

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is about to get really stupid the reason

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why I'm even speaking about this now and

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I'm not a fear moan I'm not a fear porn

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person I am NOT and you know this but

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the look on Trump's face today when he

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said those words he meant it he scared

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me I don't believe anything that comes

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out of Trump's mouth until today I had

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to just step back real issen write it

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down transcribe and digest what he said

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I mean he practically had spit coming

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out of his mouth he was man so there you

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go all right tonight Richard bleep and

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Dolan is here yes we are going to

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discuss false flags yes we're going to

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discuss ufology yes we may discuss

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breakaway civilizations we're going to

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discuss unity in the community we're

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going to discuss a lot of different

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things

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tonight we'll probably do it Dolan style

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and kickoff of the little music like we

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always do

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this is fade to black our guest tonight

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Richard Dolan I'm your host Jimmy Church

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on the game change your network and kg

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are a the planet don't be scared

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everybody don't be scared

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things always have a way of working

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themselves out but it was crazy it was

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crazy I'll be right back with Richard

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tonight Richards leapin Dolan that's

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right he's among the world's leading UFO

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he has written many classics for the

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security state ad after disclosure and

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you oppose for the 21st century mine as

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well as ongoing booklets for his Richard

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Dolan lecture series is lectured all

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around the world he's appeared widely on

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television including of course ancient

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aliens and with yours truly on hangar 1

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currently he is the writer host of the

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series false flags which appears on Gaia

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TV I mean it's also writing a book on

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the same subject with will ask about

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that and he also hosts two radio shows

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of course the Richard Dolan show on KCRA

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and the EFT files I think he's a I'm

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gonna have to ask him if he's on hiatus

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with that and of course he's the

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publisher of Richard Dolan press which

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features the work of many leading

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realities in our world today his website

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is Richard ol oppress calm and I would

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like to welcome back to fade to black

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fellow fade or not Richard bleep and

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Dolan Richard good evening hi Jimmy is

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having me on I'll walk around I'm doing

625
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just great then very well these days man

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your radio pipes man are excelling

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really yeah dude dude I'm intimidated

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Wow weld well done well plan thank you

629
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what were they my voice all right not in

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your league arse radio goes I my best oh

631
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:21,299
you're doing just fine hey okay look we

632
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let's just keep the tradition going

633
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right now what was the last song English

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in time today the last good run for you

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uh Fat Boy slim praise you know what I

636
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see that word Oh hit that

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but you have to let me I have to follow

638
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up with it was it in the shower the only

639
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reason that I heard that song last I

640
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mean I'm a fan boy slim so that's not

641
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big surprised maybe but but it's in

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order it was a it was given to me by my

643
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fiancé Tracy who knew that you were

644
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going to ask me this question

645
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furthermore uh uh Joey what would have

646
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been the last song I would have had to

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tell you honestly was a song that I

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myself sang which was the theme song to

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the Mary Tyler Moore Show

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Oh Jews to completion word-for-word

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which happily I can say I remembered

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what would have had to be the last one

653
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so I get to say Fat Boy slim praise you

654
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a little more on the higher on the cool

655
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scale than the Mary Tyler Moore theme

656
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song but hey everyone loves a Mary Tyler

657
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Moore theme song he could have said you

658
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sung the Pixies version of the marriage

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or theme song yeah but I didn't actually

660
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say thanks thank you

661
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oh man alright okay now I'm very

662
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impressed and and the question is and

663
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then we'll move on did you dance to Fat

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Boy slim uh not on this particular

665
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occasion okay all right okay I just

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wanted the visual crazy heads that may

667
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count I don't think so okay now we need

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to put our serious faces on okay all

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right I got tears of my eyes man that

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was funny that was good

671
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crazy news Tay today Richard and I know

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that a lot of the audience right now is

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expecting me to go in one direction and

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and possibly another direction they're

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chomping at the bit we'll do that at the

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top of the hour but the crazy news day

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today when we're dealing with false

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flags and your favorite subject at the

679
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:44,310
moment today do you feel like there's a

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false flag in our future with North

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Korea a short answer yes long answer yes

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I know right so what's happening with

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North Korea is that you know when people

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are hearing news about North Korea and

685
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actually I've been out of the news

686
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pretty much most of the day I've been

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working on other projects that don't

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involved news but I've been following

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North Korea for sure and what you can

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really see happening is that the United

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States is itching for regime change and

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they're itching for North Korea in Iran

693
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they would love to regime change Russia

694
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that's really not going to happen in the

695
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immediate future but they love that but

696
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they they can foresee these are crazy

697
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:32,670
people running US policy there no there

698
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,500
no more sane now than they were a couple

699
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:36,900
of years ago under Obama or under Bush

700
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they're the same level of crazy maybe

701
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:41,640
even higher level of crazy in some ways

702
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:43,650
they believe that they're going to

703
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regime change North Korea and they're

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following all of the the types of

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00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:54,410
pretext that the United States has done

706
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since forever so this is this is nothing

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new the whole concept of kind of a fake

708
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revolution you create pretexts for

709
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switching out governments you don't like

710
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and what I think what they'll do is

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they're going to convince the American

712
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:13,410
public they're already convincing the

713
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:14,700
American public that North Korea really

714
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will have a nuke and they're going to

715
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:19,860
like use it to to hit California or the

716
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:21,810
United States not going to happen

717
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:23,430
I'm just mark my words I'm telling you

718
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:25,650
that will not happen because they

719
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:28,050
actually don't have that capability this

720
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:33,270
has been hyped so incredibly out of

721
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:37,110
proportion that the nation it has among

722
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:38,760
many other things we've lost our sanity

723
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,960
now over North Korea we lost our

724
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,940
Saturday over Russia continue to lose it

725
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,920
over that now losing it over North Korea

726
00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:47,280
then lose it over Iran as well North

727
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:50,100
Korea is not going to launch nukes at

728
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,140
all ever against the United States

729
00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:54,720
unless they are deeply provoked to do so

730
00:37:59,350 --> 00:37:57,620
and what Americans don't realize

731
00:38:00,820 --> 00:37:59,360
of course do I even need to say that I'm

732
00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:00,830
not here to defend the regime of North

733
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:03,940
Korea but the United States has been

734
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:07,040
constantly incessantly provoking the

735
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:08,480
North Koreans by having military

736
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:11,330
exercises right at their border and they

737
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,100
do this cut all the time the North

738
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:16,400
Koreans are obsessed about it and if the

739
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,670
u.s. really wants to ratchet things down

740
00:38:24,610 --> 00:38:21,440
they would change their behavior in

741
00:38:27,970 --> 00:38:24,620
Northeast Asia but they can't do it they

742
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:27,980
won't ever do it and and it's kind of

743
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:30,170
ridiculous frankly that President Trump

744
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:32,270
is expecting China somehow to

745
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:33,800
participate in this can you imagine if

746
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:36,380
China allows North Korea to go through a

747
00:38:40,210 --> 00:38:38,150
regime change now the US troops go right

748
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:40,220
up to the Chinese border right so the

749
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,930
Chinese aren't stupid they're not going

750
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:43,280
to just let that sort of thing happen

751
00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:45,140
and it seems like no one in the White

752
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:48,070
House is aware of this basic fact so

753
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:51,350
what I guess I do foresee I mean they

754
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:53,420
really there's I know I know they are

755
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:56,510
they're ideologues and and it's not it's

756
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:58,190
not unique to the Trump White House by

757
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:00,740
the way they were every bit as much

758
00:39:04,270 --> 00:39:03,050
ideologically driven under the Obama

759
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:04,280
White House and they would have been

760
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:07,010
every bit as ideological driven under a

761
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:08,870
Hillary Clinton White House but it

762
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,490
happens to be Trump and and this is just

763
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:13,520
furthermore further proof as the French

764
00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:18,200
would say the Google mmm the bluest oh

765
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:20,060
the blue Raja Abdullah member shows

766
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:21,890
they're bad my French is the more things

767
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,030
change the more they stay the same and

768
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:27,680
there's no difference in US policy with

769
00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:30,290
President Trump as it was from Obama

770
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:32,600
it's exactly the same the reactor st.

771
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:36,880
Leger n't the same war mongering and

772
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:39,470
misrepresentation of other other country

773
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:41,060
u.s. did it to Libya when they destroyed

774
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:43,550
that nation under Obama and now Trump is

775
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:45,110
probably hoping he can destroy North

776
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:50,180
Korea the entire false narrative of WMDs

777
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:54,110
is like it's like this crazy deja vu

778
00:39:58,350 --> 00:39:56,750
flashback right and we're having that

779
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,360
right now with the announcement of

780
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:01,280
miniaturization of nuclear warheads that

781
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:03,950
cannot be put on on the tips of missiles

782
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:06,620
and very glad you're mentioning this you

783
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:09,470
know back in 2003 the United States has

784
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:10,810
several unn

785
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:12,610
forgivable crimes that have been

786
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,220
committed during our lifetime and maybe

787
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:17,400
the day will come when Americans

788
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:19,600
collectively start to understand Emmis

789
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:21,790
alright so one of those unforgivable

790
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:25,780
crimes was Iraq in 2003 when the United

791
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,310
States government at that time under

792
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:28,960
george w bush with people like don

793
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:31,270
rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice and Dick

794
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:36,610
Cheney lied knowingly lied about these

795
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:38,440
so-called weapons of mass destruction

796
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:42,310
the WMDs Condoleezza Rice and I think it

797
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,790
was Cheney or Rumsfeld used the imagery

798
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:48,880
of a nuclear mushroom cloud over the

799
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:50,320
United States and that's how we would

800
00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:52,630
find out that Saddam had nuke you know

801
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:53,830
nukes is that there would be a mushroom

802
00:40:59,070 --> 00:40:56,200
cloud yeah good one what they ended up

803
00:41:00,660 --> 00:40:59,080
doing was terrifying the American public

804
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:00,670
and getting them to believe that this

805
00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:02,890
was in fact the case when everyone who I

806
00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:04,780
knew at the time that there were no

807
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:06,340
weapons of mass destruction and I knew

808
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,250
because I followed the subject back in

809
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:12,640
2003 I watched : powell lied to the

810
00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:15,190
world at the United Nations in February

811
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:18,940
2003 about this whole thing and so this

812
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:20,830
is and the result of course is the

813
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:22,870
destruction of an entire nation Iraq was

814
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:24,460
destroyed and it is destroyed to this

815
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:27,430
day Iraq ISM is a wreck the United

816
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:29,290
States under Obama because this is a

817
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:33,010
bipartisan blood lust did it to Libya

818
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:35,530
and man did they do it to Libya and

819
00:41:43,890 --> 00:41:39,180
again Americans don't really understand

820
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:43,900
what they as a nation have done to what

821
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:45,460
was then the wealthiest most prosperous

822
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:48,310
nation in Africa a nation that had free

823
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:49,870
health care that had free housing for

824
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:51,400
the homeless where women could wear what

825
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,220
they want where women and men could

826
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:56,400
easily go to universities and they did

827
00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:00,240
where there was more local democracy

828
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:03,340
than existed United States and Minister

829
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:05,530
booth right they had a strong man at the

830
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:08,350
top but he ran that country so that

831
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:10,570
everyone was prosperous and it just

832
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:14,200
happened to be outside of the IMF

833
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:17,880
dominated Western US banking system and

834
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:21,090
if you vote this read the WikiLeaks

835
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:24,460
emails in which Hillary Clinton's emails

836
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:25,180
have the

837
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:26,200
right there there was a whole

838
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:28,750
conversation about Sarkozy of France and

839
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,030
the French desire to get the Libyan gold

840
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:34,480
as one of the key motivations of course

841
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:36,180
the United States had the same desire

842
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:39,250
power controlling the oil in the gold

843
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:41,170
and getting Libya under Western control

844
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:43,270
and they and they just wrecked it under

845
00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:44,290
false pretenses

846
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:47,140
you know I and I'll tell you the really

847
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:48,490
strange thing that most people don't

848
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:51,430
really realize about Libya is they were

849
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:55,599
asked to give up their nuclear ambitions

850
00:43:01,859 --> 00:42:58,420
and they put everything on a boat and

851
00:43:04,049 --> 00:43:01,869
ship it out a little bit that really

852
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:04,059
redid that and go back to North Korea

853
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:07,000
now all right so the Libyans I guarantee

854
00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:08,770
you everyone who's got a brain in their

855
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:10,119
head looking at this geopolitically

856
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:11,230
realizes ah

857
00:43:15,809 --> 00:43:14,200
if Libya had kept developing nukes is

858
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:15,819
probably would not have happened and

859
00:43:21,089 --> 00:43:18,520
they're probably right North Korea they

860
00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:21,099
may be immoral they may be bloody-minded

861
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:23,109
but they're not that stupid like they

862
00:43:27,059 --> 00:43:25,030
like people like to portray them all

863
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:27,069
right so they understand full well the

864
00:43:32,549 --> 00:43:29,650
nukes are the only thing that is keeping

865
00:43:36,539 --> 00:43:32,559
that regime in power and I agree that

866
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:36,549
that it is a shame and unfortunate and a

867
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,160
crime that that regime is in power but

868
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:40,960
you know Americans like to convince

869
00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:43,210
themselves if they have this ability to

870
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:44,799
switch out every bad government in the

871
00:43:47,549 --> 00:43:46,180
world with they've got that ability

872
00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:47,559
maybe they should do something about

873
00:43:51,569 --> 00:43:50,109
their own yeah and I'm not talking about

874
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:51,579
Trump I'm talking about the entire

875
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:53,410
system that's right at a place that

876
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,960
exists for an oligarchy well when people

877
00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:58,960
bring up you know false flags and they

878
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:00,760
want to bring up something like you know

879
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,950
Sandy Hook which I don't agree with by

880
00:44:09,089 --> 00:44:05,920
the way but that know when we are

881
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:09,099
talking about you know a true country on

882
00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:12,609
country false-flag this is going to play

883
00:44:18,299 --> 00:44:15,460
out just like it did in 2003 the right

884
00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:18,309
it's the same playbook Richard it is the

885
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:22,299
exact same setup and we're watching a

886
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:25,210
play out unfairly by a little yeah yeah

887
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:29,950
it's a it's so it's you can create a

888
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,609
kind of typology of it in fact I've been

889
00:44:37,289 --> 00:44:34,839
working on this from my own book on

890
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:37,299
false flags and I actually I know I

891
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:39,020
included a number of

892
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:41,240
these types of ideas for the show that I

893
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:43,310
wrote and they've hosted for Gaia TV

894
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:46,670
which is called false Flags and I'm fact

895
00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:49,910
if I may I would encourage people if

896
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:52,340
they are interested in checking that

897
00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:54,890
series out it is a unique series this I

898
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:56,600
can say very confidently there's nothing

899
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,060
like this has been done anywhere I spent

900
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:02,000
the time really to research the history

901
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,460
of false Flags as they developed as a

902
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:07,760
phenomenon false flags aren't ancient

903
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:09,470
but they do go back at least a good

904
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:10,970
century and there's a couple of older

905
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,550
ones but there there's a they're

906
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:15,920
actually specifically modern this is one

907
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:17,710
of the main things I like to about them

908
00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:21,200
and what's the format of mecco do you

909
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:24,080
have guests or is it is it you know this

910
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:26,300
me do my thing right I wrote it right

911
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:28,940
back this is another unique thing about

912
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:29,540
Gaia

913
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:31,850
I'm not aware of anyone else doing this

914
00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:34,010
and I'm not taking away from what anyone

915
00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:35,960
else does but I didn't want to do it

916
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:38,380
kind of sit-down format interview show I

917
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:42,290
had a I had a concept in my mind I had

918
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:44,450
an arc I had a vision of what I wanted

919
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:48,260
to create and I wrote it out I scripted

920
00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:52,040
it out and I I did it in front of the

921
00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:54,620
camera now if I were ever to continue

922
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:00,710
anything with Gaia in the future I might

923
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:03,650
want to interview type of a format

924
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,540
because I can tell you writing it out is

925
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:07,400
a lot of work that's a lot of work but

926
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,350
that's what I strove I didn't yeah it

927
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:10,400
was good for me though because it

928
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,950
actually also jump-started really made

929
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:15,440
me move farther along in my book on

930
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:16,940
false legs which I've been wanting to

931
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:18,950
write for the longest time so I've got a

932
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:22,480
couple of hundred pages now written and

933
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:25,760
I'm happy about that but in terms of the

934
00:46:30,130 --> 00:46:28,550
false flags if someone is interested in

935
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:30,140
checking it out on Gaia I would

936
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:31,700
encourage them actually they could help

937
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:34,490
me out if they wanted to join Gaia I

938
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:35,990
would say do it through the link on my

939
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:37,820
website I would be very grateful for

940
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:42,110
that it is good for me and it helps me

941
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:45,380
promote myself on the guy in network you

942
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:46,790
just go to my website at Richard Dolan

943
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:48,530
Press there's a link right at the very

944
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:50,180
top there just on the guy I would click

945
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:53,050
it and if you want to sign up go

946
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:55,690
you know that second yeah I'm going to

947
00:47:02,640 --> 00:46:57,369
give this up in Twitter right now for

948
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:02,650
you the the reason why I don't like fear

949
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:06,250
porn you know I don't but the one thing

950
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:08,680
that I've tried to make everybody aware

951
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,530
of because I'm so interested in this and

952
00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:13,960
the more that I see days turn into weeks

953
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:17,829
and time passes the more that it is true

954
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:21,849
which is there is an agenda that is

955
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:25,750
going on we have the dialogue that is

956
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:29,200
presented to us and the dogma from mass

957
00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:33,880
media which is completely untrue and the

958
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:36,460
agenda of the world is is right in front

959
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,270
of you and if you don't trust my words

960
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:42,640
just observe what is going on in front

961
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:44,680
of you right now and it is playing out

962
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:48,940
right now with North Korea and I play

963
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:51,520
when you it scares it scares the crap

964
00:47:56,819 --> 00:47:53,710
out of me Richard and it's not about

965
00:47:58,650 --> 00:47:56,829
doing fear porn you know I don't want I

966
00:48:01,880 --> 00:47:58,660
mean I guess I know what fear porn means

967
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:01,890
it's you know scaring people in a sense

968
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:05,650
to excite them in a way and to to get

969
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:07,210
them come back like clickbait type stuff

970
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:10,150
I'm not interested in that at least it's

971
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:12,490
interesting you know that I'm doing the

972
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,490
show um daya anyone who's watched guy or

973
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:17,920
follows in those guys I mean they

974
00:48:22,109 --> 00:48:19,450
started out like basically doing yoga

975
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:22,119
Jack they're into consciousness and

976
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:24,130
transformation and suddenly they bring

977
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:25,420
on Richard Olin and he's talking about

978
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:27,670
fall slacks for God's sake so they've

979
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:28,810
had to make a little bit of an

980
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,510
adjustment in having me on and I think

981
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:33,280
they've done an admirable job if I may

982
00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:37,060
say in bringing me and allowing me to do

983
00:48:42,359 --> 00:48:41,319
what I like to do and it's not it's not

984
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:42,369
in frightening people

985
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:45,220
I am never about that but what I am

986
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:51,010
about is look if if there are bad things

987
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,089
happening around you and there always

988
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:55,119
are alright we can we can do one of two

989
00:48:58,620 --> 00:48:56,319
things we can pretend that they don't

990
00:49:00,210 --> 00:48:58,630
exist and we can you know create our

991
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:00,220
create a circle of light and protect

992
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:03,300
ourselves and visualize positive change

993
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:05,020
which I don't think it's going to be

994
00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:06,560
very effective to be honest with you

995
00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:08,030
what I think it's going to be a little

996
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:09,980
bit more effective is recognizing what

997
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:10,940
the problem is

998
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,950
and then dealing with it I liken it to

999
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:14,960
having this wonderful dream you know

1000
00:49:18,490 --> 00:49:16,760
you're on the beach drinking margaritas

1001
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:18,500
someone's rubbing your feet it's a great

1002
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:20,150
dream but meanwhile your house is

1003
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:22,430
burning down right so what's the better

1004
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:24,380
solution keep the dreaming or wake up

1005
00:49:30,970 --> 00:49:25,970
and deal with the fire throw your

1006
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:30,980
margarita on the fire really so I want

1007
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:34,160
to in doing the research that I do

1008
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:36,970
whether it's with UFOs or false flags

1009
00:49:44,830 --> 00:49:41,210
I'm I want to be about helping people

1010
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:44,840
wake up and let it letting them realize

1011
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:48,010
that by waking up you're actually

1012
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:50,900
gaining power your gaming strength your

1013
00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:53,150
because it's only through truth right

1014
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:55,100
that we're actually going to be able to

1015
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,530
deal with the problems around us and

1016
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,630
it's not always easy I remember a

1017
00:50:03,790 --> 00:50:02,180
statement from the late John Mack I'll

1018
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:03,800
never forget this it was in one of his

1019
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:10,480
books he he said look you know gaining

1020
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:14,060
higher awareness basically means

1021
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:16,850
tripping illusions away from us and and

1022
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:19,790
none of us can do that without a certain

1023
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:21,460
amount of pain because we're all born

1024
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:24,050
into illusions every one of the

1025
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:25,400
solutions about our world illusions

1026
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:27,260
about ourself illusions about our

1027
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:29,630
reality and it's only by the painful

1028
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:33,710
process of recognizing those illusions

1029
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:38,900
that we engage in personal growth but so

1030
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:40,430
there's a little bit of pain that goes

1031
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:42,230
along with that but then the end result

1032
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:44,300
is that we grow and we become stronger

1033
00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:46,580
and we become more able to do good in

1034
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,020
the world because we're more

1035
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:49,760
knowledgeable and we're not filling our

1036
00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:52,910
head with with fantasies but we're

1037
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:55,190
filling our head with the truth that's

1038
00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:57,650
the only way to make ourselves better it

1039
00:51:05,710 --> 00:50:59,350
is the only way to make our world better

1040
00:51:09,310 --> 00:51:05,720
there and the the concept that I'm

1041
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:09,320
trying to avoid is this I don't want to

1042
00:51:20,529 --> 00:51:17,420
be labeled as some new conscious 1970s

1043
00:51:23,049 --> 00:51:20,539
pyramid power positive is the

1044
00:51:26,049 --> 00:51:23,059
only way of life thing because that is

1045
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:26,059
not the real world you know I don't want

1046
00:51:31,089 --> 00:51:28,609
to be labeled as that also not healthy

1047
00:51:35,469 --> 00:51:31,099
it's on how it is it is completely but

1048
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:35,479
yet I live that way the other problem

1049
00:51:40,569 --> 00:51:37,660
right I mean in a way I get it because I

1050
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,579
said this many times I'm very proud to

1051
00:51:46,479 --> 00:51:43,359
say this when I was 15 years old I

1052
00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:46,489
bought very first book by Wayne Dyer

1053
00:51:51,939 --> 00:51:49,339
your erroneous zones right right the tee

1054
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,949
knows it so and I mean it's classic pop

1055
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:53,839
psychology anyone who knows Wayne Dyer

1056
00:51:59,319 --> 00:51:57,890
who's no longer with us but I gladly

1057
00:52:01,269 --> 00:51:59,329
tell anyone that book had a very

1058
00:52:03,699 --> 00:52:01,279
positive influence influence on my life

1059
00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:03,709
and still does I learned a very

1060
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:05,390
important lesson from that book which is

1061
00:52:10,989 --> 00:52:07,400
maybe related to what you just said

1062
00:52:12,489 --> 00:52:10,999
and the idea is he said look over your

1063
00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:12,499
shoulder that's your death you're going

1064
00:52:18,249 --> 00:52:15,079
to die one day he said this is your life

1065
00:52:20,799 --> 00:52:18,259
right now and you have a choice you can

1066
00:52:22,989 --> 00:52:20,809
you can live your life in a healthy and

1067
00:52:25,179 --> 00:52:22,999
positive way or you can live it in an

1068
00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:25,189
unhealthy unpause ative way or negative

1069
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,499
way and they said the first thing you

1070
00:52:31,029 --> 00:52:28,400
need to do is you have to take

1071
00:52:33,069 --> 00:52:31,039
responsibility for your slots which

1072
00:52:35,249 --> 00:52:33,079
means don't go blame your mom and your

1073
00:52:37,899 --> 00:52:35,259
dad for how lousy things are for you

1074
00:52:40,359 --> 00:52:37,909
that's giving away your power and your

1075
00:52:43,569 --> 00:52:40,369
responsibilities as you right now have

1076
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:43,579
the ability it is within you to make a

1077
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:46,130
decision what kind of person am I going

1078
00:52:55,299 --> 00:52:50,689
to be and it had a huge influence on me

1079
00:52:58,689 --> 00:52:55,309
and so I really believe strongly in

1080
00:53:02,890 --> 00:52:58,699
telling myself healthy positive things

1081
00:53:05,409 --> 00:53:02,900
but that's a little different than the

1082
00:53:06,779 --> 00:53:05,419
kinds of manifestation affirmations and

1083
00:53:10,809 --> 00:53:06,789
I think some people like to do because

1084
00:53:13,739 --> 00:53:10,819
my take on this and I'll make some

1085
00:53:16,329 --> 00:53:13,749
friends and enemies by saying this but I

1086
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,339
think that when people say I want to

1087
00:53:18,819 --> 00:53:17,839
manifest such and such a thing I don't

1088
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:18,829
think they know what they're talking

1089
00:53:22,899 --> 00:53:19,729
about at all

1090
00:53:24,130 --> 00:53:22,909
right I think that the only way you're

1091
00:53:26,709 --> 00:53:24,140
going to manifest anything is by

1092
00:53:29,499 --> 00:53:26,719
planning it and doing it that's how you

1093
00:53:33,309 --> 00:53:29,509
manifest and so you create that vision

1094
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:33,319
in your mind yes you do but you it's not

1095
00:53:37,659 --> 00:53:35,209
going to happen by itself you still have

1096
00:53:39,699 --> 00:53:37,669
to work by easy thinking right that's

1097
00:53:41,259 --> 00:53:39,709
right you you know this you've you went

1098
00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:41,269
through the whole process of creating

1099
00:53:47,169 --> 00:53:45,140
your show yes and you know every bit of

1100
00:53:49,689 --> 00:53:47,179
how much hard work that was and planning

1101
00:53:51,429 --> 00:53:49,699
and obstacles and disappointments and

1102
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:51,439
then overcoming all those obstacles I

1103
00:53:55,509 --> 00:53:53,209
mean it never stops and it's the same

1104
00:53:59,469 --> 00:53:55,519
with the projects that I've been doing

1105
00:54:01,239 --> 00:53:59,479
so it only happens through you you tell

1106
00:54:03,249 --> 00:54:01,249
yourself where do I want to be in five

1107
00:54:04,779 --> 00:54:03,259
years what do I want to be doing what do

1108
00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:04,789
I want to do in one year okay good

1109
00:54:08,890 --> 00:54:06,140
that's what I want to do how am I going

1110
00:54:11,649 --> 00:54:08,900
to get there and we have to think it

1111
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:11,659
through so on that sense I believe in

1112
00:54:17,769 --> 00:54:14,650
manifesting sure but it's only through

1113
00:54:22,899 --> 00:54:17,779
creating a vision planning it out and

1114
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:22,909
then working so I feel at the New Age

1115
00:54:27,969 --> 00:54:25,609
philosophy that some people have has

1116
00:54:31,299 --> 00:54:27,979
been very harmful and destructive not

1117
00:54:34,689 --> 00:54:31,309
simply to society at large because it

1118
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:34,699
really is very improper imprecise

1119
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:36,650
thinking to lose thinking but it's also

1120
00:54:40,899 --> 00:54:38,390
I think harmful mentally to a lot of the

1121
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:40,909
people engage in it now you have to

1122
00:54:46,749 --> 00:54:42,529
implement you have to implement you

1123
00:54:48,459 --> 00:54:46,759
can't just you know the idea of you know

1124
00:54:50,019 --> 00:54:48,469
you can change your own reality with

1125
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:50,029
your mind and you just close your eyes

1126
00:54:55,209 --> 00:54:52,209
and click your heels three times and

1127
00:54:56,649 --> 00:54:55,219
write and meditate every day we do

1128
00:54:58,899 --> 00:54:56,659
change our reality with our minds but

1129
00:55:01,509 --> 00:54:58,909
only in conjunction with our actions

1130
00:55:03,009 --> 00:55:01,519
right you've got to think it then you

1131
00:55:05,890 --> 00:55:03,019
got to do it that's the other part I

1132
00:55:07,299 --> 00:55:05,900
remember then when we come back after

1133
00:55:07,899 --> 00:55:07,309
the break I want to talk about you new

1134
00:55:09,699 --> 00:55:07,909
wiki

1135
00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:09,709
our new little project here I want to

1136
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,189
introduce this to everybody and so you

1137
00:55:17,949 --> 00:55:16,400
get the honor of you know being on the

1138
00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:17,959
show that we do this this is a big

1139
00:55:23,429 --> 00:55:19,400
worldwide announcement we're going to do

1140
00:55:28,209 --> 00:55:23,439
that after the break but going back to

1141
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:28,219
1991 1992 when I was going through this

1142
00:55:34,569 --> 00:55:31,839
transformation and I mean really really

1143
00:55:36,729 --> 00:55:34,579
wanting to do things and change my

1144
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:36,739
reality and and and was working really

1145
00:55:43,689 --> 00:55:40,630
hard and on my mind and then meanwhile

1146
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:43,699
la is burning down we've got riots we've

1147
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:45,980
got cracking sold outside of my fry

1148
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:47,690
door I got bodies in the street

1149
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:50,530
literally not figured - I mean literally

1150
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:54,590
craziness of this this madness evil

1151
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:56,900
world and I was like man I can I can

1152
00:56:02,109 --> 00:56:00,440
want this all that I you know desire but

1153
00:56:04,359 --> 00:56:02,119
any changing what's going on out there

1154
00:56:06,970 --> 00:56:04,369
on the streets the reality is out there

1155
00:56:08,109 --> 00:56:06,980
and that's where it's harmful you have

1156
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:08,119
you know what I mean that's where it's

1157
00:56:13,450 --> 00:56:10,220
self-destructive you actually have to

1158
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:13,460
physically go out and and and make a

1159
00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:15,470
difference and not only for yourself but

1160
00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:17,780
for the world and then Alex on that but

1161
00:56:20,770 --> 00:56:19,220
I know you want to go to breaks in yeah

1162
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:20,780
we got it we got to do that right now so

1163
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:23,030
let's go ahead and do that and our guest

1164
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,010
tonight the one and only Richard bleep

1165
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:27,920
and Dolan I will never say what I really

1166
00:56:32,859 --> 00:56:31,190
want to say everything's on the table

1167
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:32,869
when we come back we're going to talk

1168
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:36,890
about you new wiki dot org our new

1169
00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:39,410
projects I'm going to click tweet here

1170
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:41,840
in just a second I'm yours commuters I

1171
00:56:46,090 --> 00:56:43,190
guess tonight Richard Dolan on the game

1172
00:56:47,290 --> 00:56:46,100
changer network in kgr a the planet

1173
00:56:57,570 --> 00:56:47,300
we'll be right back

1174
00:57:05,480 --> 00:56:57,580
[Music]

1175
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:07,560
this is fade to black

1176
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:09,490
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

1177
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:13,000
radio network and K GRA the Global Radio

1178
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:17,620
Alliance this is kg are a digital

1179
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:20,830
broadcasting station Salt Lake City Utah

1180
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:30,880
Van Buren Arkansas Jimmy Choo hi this is

1181
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:32,860
race Hobbs here repping the planet and

1182
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:35,050
you're listening to my good friend Jimmy

1183
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:37,060
Church fade to black

1184
00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:39,610
on the game changer network and the kgr

1185
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:44,200
a digital broadcast station this is Toby

1186
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:46,360
Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

1187
00:57:52,590 --> 00:57:49,690
radio calm don't know me Jimmy I'm only

1188
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:52,600
little damn Adrian Grenier this is Ari

1189
00:57:59,820 --> 00:57:56,700
Gold where the honey brothers wasn't in

1190
00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:59,830
honey when I am Adrian Grenier and I'm

1191
00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:02,320
Ari Gold where the honey brothers and

1192
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:11,460
ancient life oil life changing the real

1193
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:15,040
oil CBD is truly ancient life oil from

1194
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:17,350
the source this oil has no psychoactive

1195
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:20,260
effect and is also legal in all 50

1196
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:22,900
states when you're healthy you're happy

1197
00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:25,210
the truth about this wonderful plant is

1198
00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:27,460
that it wants to give back to mankind

1199
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:30,820
life longevity and happiness ancient

1200
00:58:36,020 --> 00:58:33,940
life oil our golden grain all organic

1201
00:58:39,090 --> 00:58:36,030
non-gmo and infused with high-quality

1202
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:39,100
liquid coconut oil it's simple just go

1203
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:42,550
to ancient life oil calm today that's

1204
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:46,660
ancient life oil calm the best purest

1205
00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:50,640
organic and non-gmo CBD in the world

1206
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,230
gobekli tepe the statements made

1207
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:54,400
regarding these products have not been

1208
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:55,390
evaluated by the Food and Drug

1209
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:56,590
Administration these products are not

1210
00:58:59,790 --> 00:58:57,970
intended to diagnose treat cure or

1211
00:59:01,110 --> 00:58:59,800
prevent any disease please consult your

1212
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:01,120
health care professional about potential

1213
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:02,290
interactions or other possible

1214
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:06,330
complications before using any product

1215
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:10,450
what's up bait or not studio dumb loves

1216
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:13,210
fade the black and the f2b audience for

1217
00:59:17,849 --> 00:59:15,610
so much that they have put together the

1218
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:17,859
ultimate stereo Bluetooth

1219
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:21,310
they've done it just for you man check

1220
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:24,700
this out the studio dome SBB - stereo

1221
00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:28,030
system is here it's featuring two studio

1222
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:31,300
boombox two SBB two wireless Bluetooth

1223
00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:33,609
speakers pack in its own custom

1224
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:35,859
hardshell case this studio dome system

1225
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:38,170
features the very latest in stereo

1226
00:59:44,609 --> 00:59:41,020
bluetooth technology the two full range

1227
00:59:46,589 --> 00:59:44,619
boom boxes are in true Wireless stereos

1228
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:46,599
you've got to hear this kids amazing

1229
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:48,730
it's just a hundred and twenty nine

1230
00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:52,690
bucks and use the promo code JC RTW us

1231
00:59:58,099 --> 00:59:55,720
and you'll also get free shipping it's

1232
01:00:02,040 --> 00:59:58,109
simple just go to Jimmy Church radio.com

1233
01:00:03,859 --> 01:00:02,050
click on the studio dome banner gobekli

1234
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:03,869
tepe

1235
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:06,280
this is Micah Hank's to the graylien

1236
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:07,960
report and you're listening to Jimmy

1237
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:09,369
church on fade to black

1238
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:10,840
across the globe on the GameChanger

1239
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:13,810
radio network and the one and only kgr a

1240
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:15,570
radio the planet

1241
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:34,650
[Music]

1242
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:37,390
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

1243
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:38,840
your host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1244
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:43,010
Richard leapin Dolan that's right

1245
01:00:48,010 --> 01:00:46,640
now we were just discussing right before

1246
01:00:50,109 --> 01:00:48,020
the show you can follow us on Twitter at

1247
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:50,119
Jay treat radio you can follow Richard

1248
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:53,570
Dolan at rich Dolan what's up with that

1249
01:01:01,540 --> 01:00:55,910
Richard was Richard Dolan already taken

1250
01:01:04,450 --> 01:01:01,550
on Twitter no I was I used to I used to

1251
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,460
go by rich in earlier years before I

1252
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:07,280
went as Richard Dolan I know now I can't

1253
01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:08,630
even think of any other name but

1254
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:10,460
reference like it was just like that's

1255
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:13,369
what I am I'm Richard Dolan but I did

1256
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:15,470
rich I think underscore Dolan at Twitter

1257
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:17,960
and then I thought to changes like how

1258
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:19,190
do you change your Twitter handle

1259
01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:21,410
without disrupting all of it right it's

1260
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,270
really like your story I don't have to

1261
01:01:27,730 --> 01:01:26,000
do that some kind of so I have old

1262
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:27,740
friends who call me rich I have friends

1263
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:29,140
I grew up with to call me Richie

1264
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:32,650
here if you ever grow out in New York at

1265
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:35,750
least one I did every boy's name was

1266
01:01:41,590 --> 01:01:39,890
either Joey Bobby Tony Richie right if I

1267
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:41,600
had said call me Richard they would have

1268
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:42,710
been like oh you think you're better

1269
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:46,880
than us what's wrong with you hey I get

1270
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:49,850
it enough I do I got but but anyway so I

1271
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:51,650
went through different versions of a

1272
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:54,470
name all through my my 20s and 30s and

1273
01:01:59,859 --> 01:01:57,530
many my friends call me rich yeah I was

1274
01:02:02,770 --> 01:01:59,869
always I was always Jim growing up and

1275
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:02,780
and of course or James when I was in

1276
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,660
trouble and then when I came out to LA I

1277
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:08,000
just you know I was going to be a guitar

1278
01:02:12,550 --> 01:02:09,410
player you know I was going to be that

1279
01:02:16,810 --> 01:02:12,560
guy oh right so change my name to Jimmy

1280
01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:16,820
and everybody that I met in LA it was so

1281
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:18,980
hard for me to say right so what's your

1282
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:21,590
name Jimmy Church and that I just the

1283
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:23,810
new persona right I just changed clothes

1284
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:26,090
bags and that's it you are you are Jimmy

1285
01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:28,250
chair nothing else but you can't be Jim

1286
01:02:32,890 --> 01:02:30,350
Church are you kidding me no no and when

1287
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:32,900
I search right when I hear Jim Church is

1288
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:35,540
somebody for my school for sure no

1289
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:38,150
exactly so I enjoy it like I wanted to

1290
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:39,290
walk away from that type of

1291
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:41,000
identification for a while like my

1292
01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:42,950
earlier name said that it's Who I am

1293
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:45,950
yeah those people know me for that and

1294
01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:48,220
that's good that we were taught

1295
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:50,109
King before the break about you know

1296
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:52,390
actually doing you know doing the work I

1297
01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:54,280
mean if you're gonna manifest manifest

1298
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:56,230
it's great but then roll up your sleeves

1299
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:58,330
and get it done nobody's going to do it

1300
01:03:02,520 --> 01:02:58,930
for you

1301
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:02,530
right exactly and so and and in doing

1302
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:08,050
that living up to that that that way of

1303
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:10,840
thinking that mindset we have launched

1304
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:13,150
the game-changer Network Richard was

1305
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:17,530
always about getting our community who

1306
01:03:21,930 --> 01:03:19,570
we thought as game changers right and

1307
01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:21,940
and that was what we were going to build

1308
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:26,320
upon and and do it and so we have gotten

1309
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:29,470
a few different groups together and one

1310
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:32,320
of them is this next launch that we have

1311
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:33,609
launched tonight

1312
01:03:37,830 --> 01:03:36,490
it's called uni wiki I've talked to you

1313
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:37,840
about this a couple of times and

1314
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:40,660
introduced you to it before the show but

1315
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:44,230
and you got it out of the gate it was

1316
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:45,670
really funny when you and I were talking

1317
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:47,290
to you were like it's not going to be

1318
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:52,390
like that other and and and exactly and

1319
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:54,460
what there's a variety of little wiki

1320
01:03:58,050 --> 01:03:56,290
site there's like many at your wiki

1321
01:04:00,359 --> 01:03:58,060
sites I mean there's obviously Wikipedia

1322
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,369
but there's there are other kinds of

1323
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:02,700
wiki's the one I was thinking it was a

1324
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:05,890
skeptical wiki site right really goes

1325
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:07,810
out of its way to just trash talking and

1326
01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:10,450
stuff and kinds of things that we do and

1327
01:04:17,660 --> 01:04:14,560
and this is about unifying not only the

1328
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:17,670
community but gathering all of our

1329
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:20,770
information in a positive way and

1330
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:23,380
getting it all centralized and together

1331
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:27,400
with the correct contributors and and

1332
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,680
not not go negative this is the positive

1333
01:04:36,839 --> 01:04:34,960
side of it and unifying all of the

1334
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:36,849
knowledge because the knowledge is out

1335
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:39,640
there the community is out there we need

1336
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:43,030
a central depository of all of this

1337
01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:45,640
knowledge and that's what you need which

1338
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:49,030
E is all about and in a very positive

1339
01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:52,830
sense that is our manifesto and and now

1340
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:55,990
it's a great thing to talk about but

1341
01:05:01,020 --> 01:04:57,730
it's another thing to deliver the

1342
01:05:01,890 --> 01:05:01,030
package well we have delivered it right

1343
01:05:03,690 --> 01:05:01,900
yep

1344
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:03,700
afterward I'm looking at the page I've

1345
01:05:09,539 --> 01:05:05,049
got it right here in front of me uni

1346
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,549
wiki org yep and it's I mean it's jest

1347
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:11,200
started so I don't think anyone need

1348
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:13,720
should expect to find articles in here

1349
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:16,569
yet but it's there the engine is built

1350
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:21,160
the the stuff that is going on is it

1351
01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:23,230
kind of an open source project so that

1352
01:05:28,529 --> 01:05:25,779
people can go in and you have to

1353
01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:28,539
register and you know get accepted and

1354
01:05:34,980 --> 01:05:31,480
are you running this is this your it's a

1355
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:34,990
user guy running no well yes yes

1356
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:38,049
actually because it's a community so yes

1357
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:42,160
is the short answer John lund and his

1358
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:46,000
software team wrote the engine the

1359
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:49,210
concept is a community concept it's

1360
01:05:54,779 --> 01:05:51,910
John's vision he's you know he obviously

1361
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,789
there needs to be somebody at the top of

1362
01:06:03,150 --> 01:05:57,599
the software chain to build this monster

1363
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:03,160
of a platform but everything is done

1364
01:06:09,539 --> 01:06:06,180
it's done so when we are talking about

1365
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:09,549
unifying and and positivity and taking

1366
01:06:15,089 --> 01:06:12,250
steps forward and doing it well you have

1367
01:06:18,029 --> 01:06:15,099
it you have to actually do it in

1368
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:18,039
employment is a really good idea I'm

1369
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:19,510
going to say this it's a hard thing to

1370
01:06:25,049 --> 01:06:23,049
do and I'm just I am looking ahead of

1371
01:06:26,849 --> 01:06:25,059
this project and I see how much work it

1372
01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:26,859
will involve but it will be easier if

1373
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:30,150
you have a lot of other contributors

1374
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,089
what and actually what you're what

1375
01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:35,920
you're proposing is not radically

1376
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:37,660
different than what Wikipedia does or

1377
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:40,089
what the other wiki sites do I mean they

1378
01:06:45,539 --> 01:06:42,430
all have moderators all right Wikipedia

1379
01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:45,549
is notorious for censoring out

1380
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:48,520
alternative information so they or

1381
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:50,500
minimizing it or dismissing it in one

1382
01:06:55,579 --> 01:06:51,609
way or another I mean they're very

1383
01:06:59,880 --> 01:06:55,589
agenda driven so they've got a very

1384
01:07:01,769 --> 01:06:59,890
definite editorial stance so there's

1385
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:01,779
nothing there's nothing wrong actually

1386
01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:05,049
with uni wiki having an editorial policy

1387
01:07:10,589 --> 01:07:06,549
as well and I think fact I've encouraged

1388
01:07:12,690 --> 01:07:10,599
you to do it as far as having people

1389
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:12,700
registering I assume am i right and

1390
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:14,079
thinking this is from around the world

1391
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:15,810
and that's right

1392
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:20,030
I bet yep-yep-yep is I got moderators

1393
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:23,910
policing it you have to because we want

1394
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:26,010
that's right that's right and you know

1395
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:31,410
we wanted to be a positive thing where

1396
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:34,350
see this is and this is always not

1397
01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:36,630
intended a loaded word so probably

1398
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:38,369
there's a loaded word out what what is

1399
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:42,240
it what does it mean it means a it means

1400
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:47,910
this that we need if you can't talk here

1401
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,700
Richard you can't talk anywhere if you

1402
01:07:55,340 --> 01:07:53,280
are if you feel like you are being

1403
01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:55,350
repressed if you think you are being

1404
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:58,260
censored in any way and you have ideas

1405
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:00,660
or if you have something that you want

1406
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:03,960
to contribute you won't because the fear

1407
01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:06,660
of ridicule or attack or anything like

1408
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:09,480
that and and that type of censorship

1409
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:11,910
cannot be allowed in our community it

1410
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:14,460
just cannot you know it's like a

1411
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:16,980
barbershop right you go in and you are

1412
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,190
able to sit down and let it all hang out

1413
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,799
and and here if we're going to unify

1414
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:24,480
this community you have to feel

1415
01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:27,049
comfortable you have to be able to say

1416
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:30,660
what it is that you've experienced or or

1417
01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:33,900
that you want to explore or if you have

1418
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,390
questions you know you don't want to

1419
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:38,640
feel like somebody is going to attack

1420
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:40,890
you or do a character assassination and

1421
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:44,880
that I I'm with you yeah the word unity

1422
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:46,890
has always rubbed me the wrong way I'll

1423
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:48,299
just tell you I mean it's just I don't

1424
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:50,279
I'm not a believer in unity never have

1425
01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:51,750
been I don't think that unity is what I

1426
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:54,569
strive for I mean after all I only get

1427
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:56,040
better when people disagree with me and

1428
01:09:02,180 --> 01:08:57,540
they point out where I think mistakes

1429
01:09:04,490 --> 01:09:02,190
I expect I'm serious and it's it's what

1430
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:04,500
I believe in but this doesn't this

1431
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:05,819
doesn't go against what you're trying to

1432
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:08,250
do actually sound on a nitpick but what

1433
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:11,460
I believe that what we want to be about

1434
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:13,350
as a community we are a community let's

1435
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:17,819
just but I I would say it's for me it's

1436
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,560
not about unity except insofar as we can

1437
01:09:25,519 --> 01:09:24,239
all recognize we're in this together but

1438
01:09:29,029 --> 01:09:25,529
we're all going to have different ideas

1439
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:29,039
I mean it's it's impossible to expect

1440
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:31,230
thousands and millions of people to have

1441
01:09:34,759 --> 01:09:33,179
the same ideas about something as

1442
01:09:37,609 --> 01:09:34,769
important as the kinds of things that we

1443
01:09:40,099 --> 01:09:37,619
like to talk about happen so I don't

1444
01:09:42,019 --> 01:09:40,109
expect agreement if by unity we're

1445
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:42,029
meaning agreement then I I would think

1446
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:44,219
that's that's never going to happen but

1447
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:46,710
if by unity we mean a sense of community

1448
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:49,170
like what you're saying where people

1449
01:09:54,049 --> 01:09:52,289
aren't being ridiculed for expressing an

1450
01:09:56,029 --> 01:09:54,059
interest in this and yes absolutely we

1451
01:09:59,779 --> 01:09:56,039
want to do that and we do that by the

1452
01:10:01,640 --> 01:09:59,789
way by engaging in when we have

1453
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:01,650
disagreements as has been going on in

1454
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:04,230
mythology particularly for the last year

1455
01:10:11,899 --> 01:10:07,260
but even since forever that we have

1456
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,909
those disagreements by by modeling

1457
01:10:16,459 --> 01:10:13,800
proper behavior it's very important that

1458
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,469
we do this that we engage in civil

1459
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:18,960
discourse that we do not engage in

1460
01:10:26,379 --> 01:10:22,590
character assassination analyzing

1461
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:26,389
people's motivations is fair game but

1462
01:10:29,419 --> 01:10:28,710
but if you do that you give that as

1463
01:10:30,979 --> 01:10:29,429
something that you're going to be

1464
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:30,989
working off of I mean we have to be

1465
01:10:36,979 --> 01:10:34,679
evidence-based so well which is always

1466
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:36,989
that which is always the goal you know

1467
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:39,030
it's always about the evidence whether

1468
01:10:44,629 --> 01:10:42,510
it's the court system or any reporting

1469
01:10:46,759 --> 01:10:44,639
or any investigation you know that's

1470
01:10:53,779 --> 01:10:46,769
that it always comes down to that

1471
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,789
do you remember UFO mind calm do you

1472
01:10:58,279 --> 01:10:55,739
remember that website I did yes okay

1473
01:11:00,649 --> 01:10:58,289
from the early 90s in the early 90s one

1474
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:00,659
of the most it was the reason to even

1475
01:11:05,839 --> 01:11:03,449
have the internet back then that was it

1476
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:05,849
this is this is exactly true you realize

1477
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:12,530
that UFOs for the first non-techie

1478
01:11:16,549 --> 01:11:14,940
subject of the Internet

1479
01:11:18,379 --> 01:11:16,559
that's right like in other the earliest

1480
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:18,389
internet of the 1980s was all like

1481
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:20,369
computer programming and c-plus and like

1482
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:23,400
who cares but but like the first actual

1483
01:11:28,129 --> 01:11:26,070
subject on those old bulletin boards

1484
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:28,139
from the 1980s the first independent

1485
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:32,699
subject entered in January 1986 and it

1486
01:11:38,629 --> 01:11:36,510
was I think that was alt perronnette you

1487
01:11:40,819 --> 01:11:38,639
don't know a UF Poorna you know it was

1488
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:40,829
Jim Jim Spicer yeah that's a guy who

1489
01:11:44,530 --> 01:11:41,960
created

1490
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:44,540
and and that started that was like the

1491
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,560
birth that was 30 31 years ago the sort

1492
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:50,719
of thing I'd like the first thing I

1493
01:11:57,670 --> 01:11:54,560
remember when I you know I get I get my

1494
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:57,680
first laptop and and I get home and I

1495
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:01,280
plug it in I'm signing on to some I

1496
01:12:06,670 --> 01:12:04,850
forget what I was signing on to with a

1497
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:06,680
credit card right to sign on to the net

1498
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:10,190
the very first day oh it was a o L it

1499
01:12:15,370 --> 01:12:12,110
was a well one point oh it was before

1500
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:15,380
Mozilla before all of that stuff right

1501
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:19,810
so I sign I the first thing I searched

1502
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,410
wasn't porn

1503
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:24,800
it was UFO pictures it was the first

1504
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:27,410
thing that I didn't for me to actually

1505
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:31,070
yeah honestly I didn't get graphic user

1506
01:12:36,820 --> 01:12:34,130
interface until late 90s and I was like

1507
01:12:38,650 --> 01:12:36,830
wow this is amazing and that back in 97

1508
01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:38,660
by the way I got an AOL account to like

1509
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,460
everyone in the United States got an AOL

1510
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:42,320
account that year I think because they

1511
01:12:48,459 --> 01:12:44,390
said that all of those discs remember I

1512
01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:48,469
had one T of those discs at any time so

1513
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:50,840
funny man I thought that was my first

1514
01:12:56,260 --> 01:12:53,770
graphic Internet I think and I

1515
01:12:59,380 --> 01:12:56,270
immediately went for UFO Dana you know

1516
01:13:04,680 --> 01:12:59,390
pictured something her well and so UFO

1517
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:04,690
mind that website was also a really cool

1518
01:13:12,459 --> 01:13:08,140
positive aspect of a depository of

1519
01:13:14,830 --> 01:13:12,469
everything UFO I don't know how that was

1520
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:14,840
maintained back then because it was all

1521
01:13:19,180 --> 01:13:17,150
linked and that was manual labor there

1522
01:13:21,490 --> 01:13:19,190
wasn't any automation and you know

1523
01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:21,500
website design and all of that and that

1524
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:23,780
was a labor of love and it was a lot of

1525
01:13:28,060 --> 01:13:26,210
that printed out I think I did too an

1526
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:28,070
amazing research you're totally right

1527
01:13:33,340 --> 01:13:31,489
back in the late 90s when I was pulling

1528
01:13:37,090 --> 01:13:33,350
down everything that existed on the web

1529
01:13:41,229 --> 01:13:37,100
and the internet on UFOs I printed like

1530
01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:41,239
complete I mean like what were then

1531
01:13:46,150 --> 01:13:43,820
websites of really interesting UFO

1532
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,160
places to go and I think I may have you

1533
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:49,520
up on mine in a binder on one of my

1534
01:13:55,759 --> 01:13:52,280
shelves man I remember I spent like

1535
01:14:00,299 --> 01:13:55,769
we'll move on but I spent problem

1536
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:00,309
six months of every waking free moment

1537
01:14:07,259 --> 01:14:03,340
out of every day that I had seven days a

1538
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:07,269
week of reading every link everything

1539
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:09,730
and so at the end of six months I get to

1540
01:14:15,779 --> 01:14:13,150
the last link at UFO mind right the last

1541
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:15,789
one until I want to do this do I want

1542
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:20,980
this to end today is it it's over but

1543
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:25,630
and that's what that aspect of that's

1544
01:14:31,410 --> 01:14:29,590
what you need which org needs to be it

1545
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:31,420
needs to be that positive driving force

1546
01:14:35,629 --> 01:14:33,880
where everybody goes first whatever it

1547
01:14:38,129 --> 01:14:35,639
is you know they want to you know

1548
01:14:42,089 --> 01:14:38,139
investigate what disclosure is well

1549
01:14:45,419 --> 01:14:42,099
you're not going to get a true body of

1550
01:14:47,459 --> 01:14:45,429
evidence of disclosure on Wikipedia you

1551
01:14:49,649 --> 01:14:47,469
know you're not going to get it anywhere

1552
01:14:51,149 --> 01:14:49,659
on the net it's two-bedroom we need to

1553
01:14:53,759 --> 01:14:51,159
get baller that's a good idea because

1554
01:14:56,669 --> 01:14:53,769
you there's a lot of enthusiastic

1555
01:15:00,330 --> 01:14:56,679
energetic smart people out there who are

1556
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:00,340
looking for projects like this oh yeah

1557
01:15:03,689 --> 01:15:02,289
and I think you really have the bill and

1558
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:03,699
they've been locked out of Wikipedia

1559
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:06,010
which that's all that Wikipedia does

1560
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:10,090
they're so highly controlled and in bed

1561
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:11,650
with the intelligence community as well

1562
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:14,409
let's just state the obvious right but

1563
01:15:19,919 --> 01:15:16,719
what you can do is is provide an outlet

1564
01:15:22,799 --> 01:15:19,929
for an enormous enormous amount of

1565
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:22,809
public around the world so your job and

1566
01:15:28,589 --> 01:15:26,320
your moderators will be to police that I

1567
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:28,599
assume and make sure that it's at the

1568
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:30,489
standard that you want it's it's going

1569
01:15:34,649 --> 01:15:31,210
to be amazing

1570
01:15:36,839 --> 01:15:34,659
and the only way to initiate change is

1571
01:15:38,879 --> 01:15:36,849
to roll up the sleeves that's it and I'm

1572
01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:38,889
glad actually I'm glad you stated it

1573
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:40,360
like you did all right let's move on

1574
01:15:45,689 --> 01:15:42,369
that everybody just go check out your

1575
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:45,699
new wiki dot org over the next weeks

1576
01:15:51,839 --> 01:15:49,210
months and years it is going to be a

1577
01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:51,849
real game-changer and it's it's going to

1578
01:15:59,009 --> 01:15:52,300
be awesome

1579
01:16:01,470 --> 01:15:59,019
now okay MUFON symposium all right okay

1580
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:01,480
now I I hope that I'm catching you a

1581
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,010
little bit off guard but you know that

1582
01:16:07,859 --> 01:16:05,550
there are quite a number of people

1583
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:07,869
listening right now wondering if we're

1584
01:16:11,530 --> 01:16:08,570
going to go there

1585
01:16:14,109 --> 01:16:11,540
I will rich I will go there if we should

1586
01:16:17,950 --> 01:16:14,119
we're doing this it's the obvious thing

1587
01:16:21,609 --> 01:16:17,960
hanging over everything in ufology these

1588
01:16:23,020 --> 01:16:21,619
days so how do you okay let's let's

1589
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:23,030
start with the top and then we'll work

1590
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:25,630
down how do you think it went

1591
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:28,610
versus expectations a couple of

1592
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:30,020
different ways to put that so the

1593
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,530
attendance was very good the attendance

1594
01:16:41,770 --> 01:16:36,560
was good because it had a tremendous

1595
01:16:45,609 --> 01:16:41,780
amount of promotion of some I will say

1596
01:16:48,069 --> 01:16:45,619
very sensationalistic stories that were

1597
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:48,079
very unlike move on to dues a move on

1598
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:51,199
which of course has always striven to

1599
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:52,730
promote what they call scientific

1600
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:56,710
ufology in the past would never bring on

1601
01:17:01,600 --> 01:16:59,210
suspension the guest so Corey good

1602
01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:01,610
obviously Andrew basiago William

1603
01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:04,840
Tompkins and researcher Michael salla

1604
01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:09,260
and I mean it just wouldn't have

1605
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:11,630
happened in the past perhaps Michael but

1606
01:17:17,709 --> 01:17:14,710
but certainly not the other three and

1607
01:17:19,660 --> 01:17:17,719
and then to bring me on and I guess this

1608
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:19,670
is where I become part of the story I

1609
01:17:24,609 --> 01:17:22,790
was asked also to speak about the secret

1610
01:17:29,229 --> 01:17:24,619
space program this is an explicit

1611
01:17:31,629 --> 01:17:29,239
request that I was asked by Jan Harrison

1612
01:17:34,810 --> 01:17:31,639
back in I think January this year when

1613
01:17:37,330 --> 01:17:34,820
he asked me to speak there and I said

1614
01:17:39,129 --> 01:17:37,340
well I I've done a number of lectures on

1615
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:39,139
that theme and I'm kind of done with it

1616
01:17:43,149 --> 01:17:40,730
right now I'm moving on to other things

1617
01:17:44,649 --> 01:17:43,159
and he really asked me insistently and I

1618
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:44,659
said I would do it I would and I would

1619
01:17:50,649 --> 01:17:46,810
try to do something original and unique

1620
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:50,659
which I did for the most part I did a

1621
01:17:55,569 --> 01:17:53,570
lot of a lot of new information but then

1622
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,579
it was only months later that I realized

1623
01:17:59,890 --> 01:17:58,400
I learned back Tracy pointed this out

1624
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,900
tempation said do you realize you're

1625
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:01,760
going to be on a panel with these four

1626
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,010
individuals a seeker space panel and I

1627
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:08,000
mean I'll say to you what I've said

1628
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:10,340
elsewhere I felt a little bit like I was

1629
01:18:14,819 --> 01:18:12,290
had a bit to be honest with you I

1630
01:18:18,850 --> 01:18:14,829
thought what what actually happened here

1631
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:18,860
and I say this because it's not that I

1632
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,570
have any personal animus against any of

1633
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:23,440
those people I don't I do

1634
01:18:29,130 --> 01:18:25,630
I've known Michael for a number of years

1635
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:29,140
I've well I have as well on top of that

1636
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,090
Richard there's another elephant in the

1637
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:33,280
room here that we need to address you've

1638
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:36,430
gone back and forth with move on to over

1639
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:39,930
the years so there's that part of it too

1640
01:18:48,210 --> 01:18:44,410
okay and looking way too healthy not on

1641
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:48,220
this show so but so they're all ending

1642
01:18:51,930 --> 01:18:50,170
at Diamond right right there's a few

1643
01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:51,940
things in play I want the audience you

1644
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:56,140
understand that yeah that it wasn't just

1645
01:19:02,010 --> 01:18:59,050
you know Corey and Sala and Tompkins and

1646
01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:02,020
the Shah go but it this is the first

1647
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:04,180
time for you to go back to MUFON for a

1648
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:09,210
long time yes like I'm out here 2011 and

1649
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:13,330
you know so I always jokingly say but I

1650
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:14,650
don't think was so jokingly that I was

1651
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:17,620
unofficially banned from MUFON from 2011

1652
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:21,130
to 2017 well I tried I tried to get you

1653
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:25,570
at 2015 but we oh no I mean it was just

1654
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:26,260
not going to happen

1655
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:29,020
yeah I mean yeah there is a contingent

1656
01:19:33,450 --> 01:19:31,180
there even now that I know that there

1657
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:33,460
are people in there they don't like me

1658
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:35,020
and they're allowed not to like me

1659
01:19:40,110 --> 01:19:37,450
that's fine that's your choice but for

1660
01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:40,120
six years I was not invited previous to

1661
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:42,580
that I for ten years I had spoken at

1662
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:44,620
five symposium so like every other year

1663
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:47,250
basically right I was a regular and

1664
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:51,250
popular I thought in 2011 the whole

1665
01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:53,710
thing came down to the fact that I in

1666
01:19:57,570 --> 01:19:55,300
fact I was there to do a secret space

1667
01:20:01,710 --> 01:19:57,580
lecture believe it or not was one of the

1668
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:01,720
first that I ever gave and I took the

1669
01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:04,750
last 10 or 15 minutes of that to talk

1670
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:07,480
about the need for MUFON to reform that

1671
01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:08,710
came out of the blue to the leadership

1672
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:10,990
and in 2011 this was a very big issue

1673
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:13,000
there was a kind of a mini revolt going

1674
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:16,090
on in MUFON for led by the late

1675
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,240
Elaine Douglas later than I knew she's

1676
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:21,520
no longer around and chase cholesky was

1677
01:20:25,660 --> 01:20:24,100
a little bit a part of the controversy

1678
01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:25,670
and

1679
01:20:30,010 --> 01:20:27,830
James Clarkson who just at least

1680
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:30,020
recently left MUFON again was part of

1681
01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:31,280
the controversy and there's all of this

1682
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:33,100
stuff about how MUFON was not

1683
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:35,210
transparent that it was opaque at the

1684
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:37,220
top and indeed absolutely was that was

1685
01:20:42,250 --> 01:20:40,090
true and there was a lot of discontent

1686
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,260
going on and MUFON and they fired a

1687
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:44,000
bunch of state directors just recently

1688
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,150
including Elaine Douglas and a lot of

1689
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,800
those folks went to the MUFON symposium

1690
01:20:52,330 --> 01:20:50,000
it was sort of like an alternate

1691
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,340
contingent and a number of them were

1692
01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:53,440
people that I knew and respected

1693
01:20:59,470 --> 01:20:57,320
including Elaine and I decided that I

1694
01:21:01,540 --> 01:20:59,480
was going to speak about it at the end

1695
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:01,550
of my lecture and I did and I said

1696
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:04,190
basically look if you know if you have

1697
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:06,010
an organization like MUFON and it is

1698
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:09,740
clearly undemocratic without anyone

1699
01:21:15,940 --> 01:21:11,210
having any say over who's in the board

1700
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,950
when it's obviously by you know who pays

1701
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:17,600
the most money and they get on and it

1702
01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:20,990
was a big part of it I said look you

1703
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:22,190
know you can't keep these things you

1704
01:21:24,730 --> 01:21:23,570
can't keep people in the dark about this

1705
01:21:26,710 --> 01:21:24,740
forever and they will bolt and

1706
01:21:28,450 --> 01:21:26,720
eventually another organization will

1707
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:28,460
come up and they will surpass and leave

1708
01:21:34,270 --> 01:21:31,970
you in the dust and the then director

1709
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:34,280
was Clifford Clift and I know from two

1710
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:36,410
different sources and he turned purple

1711
01:21:41,170 --> 01:21:39,650
directly and sad that I would never

1712
01:21:45,940 --> 01:21:41,180
speak at another symposium ever again

1713
01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:45,950
and and I didn't until but Jan

1714
01:21:51,940 --> 01:21:48,140
horizon's' different because Jan was

1715
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,950
always I mean everyone always recognized

1716
01:21:58,750 --> 01:21:54,800
that Jan was the guy who really could do

1717
01:22:00,580 --> 01:21:58,760
some good things and move on he was a

1718
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,590
guy everyone liked he was a guy that was

1719
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:02,960
always like knowledgeable about the

1720
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:06,460
subjects smart absolutely and

1721
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:09,170
good-looking businessman do you see my

1722
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:10,370
collaborator

1723
01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:13,340
yes exactly so yeah when he became ID

1724
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:15,230
international director everyone thought

1725
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:19,130
this is great and I mean he's been a

1726
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,080
struggle for him I mean he should have

1727
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:23,120
him on to do an interview with him I

1728
01:22:30,730 --> 01:22:26,630
think that would be great but he asked

1729
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,740
me to speak in 2016 in Florida and I

1730
01:22:35,290 --> 01:22:32,960
know that was that was mixed by other

1731
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:35,300
people and I'm not going to get into it

1732
01:22:38,860 --> 01:22:36,410
and you're not going to get me to talk

1733
01:22:43,090 --> 01:22:38,870
about it but I know it happened so then

1734
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:43,100
for 2017 he asked me and I said sure I

1735
01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:47,450
said yes so it was kind of like a little

1736
01:22:51,490 --> 01:22:49,670
bit of a homecoming I've always had a

1737
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:51,500
certain fondness I mean I've got a lot

1738
01:22:57,940 --> 01:22:54,290
of friends and move on there are so many

1739
01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:57,950
good people in that organization they

1740
01:23:02,590 --> 01:23:00,470
work hard they are dedicated you know

1741
01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:02,600
MUFON is so important to us because it

1742
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:05,300
is due it's the only organization that

1743
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,890
is actually doing the most fundamentally

1744
01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:12,080
important thing for UFOs so made so many

1745
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:13,220
people get bored by it

1746
01:23:18,190 --> 01:23:15,250
but it's so necessary and that is

1747
01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:18,200
investigating sightings we need that

1748
01:23:23,260 --> 01:23:20,390
because even now in 2017 we absolutely

1749
01:23:25,090 --> 01:23:23,270
need well investigated UFO sightings

1750
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:25,100
because if we don't have good

1751
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:27,290
investigations all we've got is just

1752
01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:29,470
some guys story or some woman's story

1753
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:32,840
what's called a raw report and I got

1754
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:34,910
news for you a raw report is not going

1755
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:37,130
to cut it so it's only a well

1756
01:23:42,010 --> 01:23:40,130
investigated report that has will have a

1757
01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:42,020
certain credibility for the outside

1758
01:23:46,210 --> 01:23:43,790
world and if we want something like

1759
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:46,220
disclosure or anything of the sort we

1760
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:50,750
need a database of solid cases and

1761
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:54,170
that's what MUFON in theory and

1762
01:23:59,460 --> 01:23:57,170
sometimes in practice can give us are is

1763
01:24:03,370 --> 01:23:59,470
that good foundation so I believe in

1764
01:24:06,430 --> 01:24:03,380
MUFON and so I was I was glad to be able

1765
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:06,440
to come back there I will say

1766
01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:08,690
MUFON always has had bad leadership up

1767
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:11,390
to Jan I'm not including Jan here right

1768
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:13,610
but mifune's leadership in my view has

1769
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,040
always been poor substandard they had

1770
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,560
Walter Andrus for 30 plus years in the

1771
01:24:21,220 --> 01:24:20,000
organization just basically spun its

1772
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:21,230
wheels and then comes the internet and

1773
01:24:24,460 --> 01:24:23,090
it's still spent as wheels you know you

1774
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:24,470
have the most populous subject in the

1775
01:24:29,290 --> 01:24:26,510
world on the internet second to porn I

1776
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:29,300
suppose UFOs and MUFON membership just

1777
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:32,330
stayed steady at 2000 2000 year in year

1778
01:24:36,130 --> 01:24:34,610
out all through the 90s houses possible

1779
01:24:37,570 --> 01:24:36,140
right well because they didn't have a

1780
01:24:41,170 --> 01:24:37,580
market themselves they didn't had a

1781
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:41,180
reach out and that that continued

1782
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:44,090
through most of the 21st century and Jan

1783
01:24:49,930 --> 01:24:48,350
is now trying to change that and I I

1784
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:49,940
wish him success in doing that

1785
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:51,570
successfully and with

1786
01:24:59,870 --> 01:24:54,030
tegrity but back to my return to MUFON I

1787
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:59,880
go back this year and I I was happy to

1788
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:01,560
go back and then yes then I discovered

1789
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:04,230
that I'm how did I find out how did you

1790
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:07,050
find out did you hear my my fiancee

1791
01:25:11,950 --> 01:25:08,610
she's a fee feel it would've paid

1792
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:11,960
attention you think I pay attention i

1793
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:15,480
watch those I am so involved in all of

1794
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:17,190
the things that I'm doing I totally

1795
01:25:22,190 --> 01:25:19,380
forgot about MUFON so it wasn't a phone

1796
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:22,200
call from Jan so it was my fiancee

1797
01:25:28,190 --> 01:25:24,900
fiancee true you realize that you're on

1798
01:25:29,170 --> 01:25:28,200
this panel and I thought oh snap so now

1799
01:25:32,540 --> 01:25:29,180
what do I do

1800
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:32,550
and at that point I call Jan I found him

1801
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:37,380
and I just said you know what what is

1802
01:25:43,550 --> 01:25:38,580
the deal here I didn't realize this was

1803
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:43,560
all happening and and I said do you

1804
01:25:50,230 --> 01:25:46,020
realize that you're bringing in people

1805
01:25:52,730 --> 01:25:50,240
who whose credibility has been severely

1806
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:52,740
persistently questioned by many many

1807
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:55,860
many people why are you doing this and

1808
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:59,340
and Jan's answer which I didn't really

1809
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,080
like and I told him I didn't like it but

1810
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:03,600
it's his it was well we're going to

1811
01:26:08,930 --> 01:26:05,250
bring them in and let people decide for

1812
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:08,940
themselves and I thought all right and

1813
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:10,650
then he asked it well if I wanted to be

1814
01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:12,450
pulled from the panel and at that point

1815
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:15,180
I said no I'm staying on this panel I

1816
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:17,100
want to be on this panel now so if

1817
01:26:20,690 --> 01:26:18,870
there's going to be me and for

1818
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:20,700
individuals with whom I have strong

1819
01:26:25,540 --> 01:26:22,530
disagreements about certain aspects of

1820
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:25,550
what they have to say then I thought I

1821
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:28,860
will go it's actually I thought about

1822
01:26:37,130 --> 01:26:33,690
walking I thought about not going and

1823
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:37,140
once again the sober yin to my raging

1824
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:40,650
yang Tracy said that would be foolish

1825
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:44,010
don't don't do that I remember I'm at a

1826
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:46,020
time we got to take a break right here I

1827
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:49,650
remember I said yeah we talked about

1828
01:26:53,780 --> 01:26:51,510
this for it was probably a two-hour

1829
01:26:56,330 --> 01:26:53,790
conversations it's completely private

1830
01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:56,340
yeah it was completely probably Shirley

1831
01:27:00,500 --> 01:26:57,960
right I was really going to not not go

1832
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,510
and we talked through it and you know

1833
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:02,880
there was it

1834
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:06,120
their exhibit walking from that would

1835
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:09,510
have achieved absolutely nothing right

1836
01:27:13,190 --> 01:27:11,730
and and there you go let's take a let's

1837
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:13,200
take a break right here Richard and

1838
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,920
Minton

1839
01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:16,320
it's getting hot in here Richard it's

1840
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:17,870
warm on this side of the microphone

1841
01:27:22,610 --> 01:27:20,250
let's see what happens on the other side

1842
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:22,620
our guest tonight Richard Dolan Richard

1843
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:24,330
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1844
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1845
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1846
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1847
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1849
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1850
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1851
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Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:02,520
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your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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rich Dolan that wasn't stolen his links

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are up there in Twitter you can do that

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now an email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church

1925
01:32:19,859 --> 01:32:17,979
radio calm now Richard talking about the

1926
01:32:21,419 --> 01:32:19,869
the moon font symposium I kind of want

1927
01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:21,429
to set this up for the audience that has

1928
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:24,670
never been there normally in a normal

1929
01:32:33,589 --> 01:32:29,610
scenario I would say the correct word is

1930
01:32:36,959 --> 01:32:33,599
stuffy and unfun that's that's the best

1931
01:32:39,629 --> 01:32:36,969
atmosphere there and I don't know if I

1932
01:32:42,209 --> 01:32:39,639
would completely well but but what I

1933
01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:42,219
mean oh and I do mean that in that they

1934
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:45,070
are all about the science they're all

1935
01:32:51,959 --> 01:32:49,050
you know they just want the facts and I

1936
01:32:55,739 --> 01:32:51,969
mean I've done many MUFON symposium in

1937
01:32:57,810 --> 01:32:55,749
the past and I've actually the that can

1938
01:33:00,449 --> 01:32:57,820
happen all right it's easy to get caught

1939
01:33:01,770 --> 01:33:00,459
in my new shed that can happen but no I

1940
01:33:03,419 --> 01:33:01,780
think that there's been some very

1941
01:33:05,819 --> 01:33:03,429
excellent presentations over the years

1942
01:33:08,069 --> 01:33:05,829
at the MUFON symposiums well I've tried

1943
01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:08,079
to make people laugh there and that's

1944
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:10,840
tough you know yeah tough grass that

1945
01:33:21,919 --> 01:33:16,320
tough crowd but but for this for this

1946
01:33:27,390 --> 01:33:21,929
presentation this is the opposite of

1947
01:33:29,609 --> 01:33:27,400
what the attendees dissol right right

1948
01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:29,619
that's what I think it was a success or

1949
01:33:33,959 --> 01:33:32,289
what I think had it went do and so I

1950
01:33:38,580 --> 01:33:33,969
would actually like to answer that I

1951
01:33:39,839 --> 01:33:38,590
feel that by doing what MUFON did and I

1952
01:33:41,219 --> 01:33:39,849
don't know all the people who were

1953
01:33:43,339 --> 01:33:41,229
involved in this decision I've got some

1954
01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:43,349
ideas but I don't know for sure

1955
01:33:47,489 --> 01:33:45,940
bringing in what is clearly very

1956
01:33:49,770 --> 01:33:47,499
controversial claims and I mean if

1957
01:33:51,779 --> 01:33:49,780
someone in the UFO community has been

1958
01:33:54,049 --> 01:33:51,789
like living under a rock basically the

1959
01:33:57,839 --> 01:33:54,059
claims are that there were certain

1960
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:57,849
self-proclaimed whistleblowers who have

1961
01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:02,320
stated that they have gone to Mars one

1962
01:34:05,370 --> 01:34:03,820
is Andrew basiago when his quarry good

1963
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:05,380
William Tompkins doesn't claim that he

1964
01:34:12,169 --> 01:34:08,760
claimed that he designed kilometers long

1965
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:12,179
spaceships galactic ships for the Navy

1966
01:34:16,090 --> 01:34:13,850
describes if I

1967
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:16,100
mistaken by Michael Salah as unsolicited

1968
01:34:20,380 --> 01:34:18,290
bids for the Navy that's a whole other

1969
01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:20,390
thing so think about what that means mmm

1970
01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:24,200
you design or you draw he's not he

1971
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:26,180
wasn't an engineer so let's get that

1972
01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:28,970
straight he was a designer he he's an

1973
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:31,790
illustrator he did the illustrated ships

1974
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:35,090
in unsolicited for the Navy so they

1975
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:37,370
didn't ask for these things he just drew

1976
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:39,110
them and gave them to the Navy I don't I

1977
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:41,090
don't even know what that means does

1978
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:43,810
that mean that they built them seriously

1979
01:34:50,380 --> 01:34:48,800
I can tell you that a lot of other real

1980
01:34:54,510 --> 01:34:50,390
whistleblowers like gary mckinnon and

1981
01:34:57,250 --> 01:34:54,520
i've spoken recently to gary mckinnon

1982
01:35:01,600 --> 01:34:57,260
don't put any stock in these stories

1983
01:35:05,340 --> 01:35:01,610
either so anyway you know

1984
01:35:10,270 --> 01:35:05,350
MUFON brings these people in of

1985
01:35:12,580 --> 01:35:10,280
questioned credibility and and they got

1986
01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:12,590
extra attendance out of it but but MUFON

1987
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:14,600
also is gonna have to face the

1988
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:16,390
repercussions of what they've done

1989
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:19,150
you know MUFON has a core mission and

1990
01:35:24,670 --> 01:35:23,090
that like any organization you have to

1991
01:35:27,670 --> 01:35:24,680
respect your core mission in reponse

1992
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:27,680
case it is to conduct the site that you

1993
01:35:31,570 --> 01:35:30,410
study of UFOs in a responsible way and

1994
01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:31,580
as they say for the betterment of

1995
01:35:36,130 --> 01:35:34,190
humanity but their core mission whether

1996
01:35:39,250 --> 01:35:36,140
they say it or not is scientific apology

1997
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:39,260
and always has been always and they also

1998
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:42,290
have a core constituency and that is the

1999
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:46,400
hard-working investigator members who

2000
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:48,290
are the backbone of that organization

2001
01:35:53,170 --> 01:35:50,060
and what MUFON did in bringing these

2002
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:53,180
people in to speak was was really

2003
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:55,370
something that damaged their core

2004
01:36:01,240 --> 01:35:58,130
mission and their and angered and

2005
01:36:03,820 --> 01:36:01,250
alienated their core constituency so in

2006
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:03,830
that sense it was not a wise move and

2007
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,510
they're going to be paying a price for

2008
01:36:09,070 --> 01:36:07,520
this now it's not a fatal blow there's

2009
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,080
all kinds of people out there in the

2010
01:36:14,110 --> 01:36:11,600
blogosphere who like this is the end of

2011
01:36:18,460 --> 01:36:14,120
ufology the end of MUFON that's clearly

2012
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,470
not people love to get histrionic over

2013
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:19,760
these things and it's and it's not

2014
01:36:24,670 --> 01:36:23,330
appropriate either but it is it is

2015
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,680
something that I feel should have been

2016
01:36:29,259 --> 01:36:26,239
handled better

2017
01:36:31,149 --> 01:36:29,269
and it will hurt them and move on needs

2018
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:31,159
and they've had a couple of public

2019
01:36:38,220 --> 01:36:34,639
relations disasters over the last few

2020
01:36:41,770 --> 01:36:38,230
months let's not forget John Ventre okay

2021
01:36:44,830 --> 01:36:41,780
good Grod that was a horrible disaster

2022
01:36:46,569 --> 01:36:44,840
and they and it wasn't handled the way

2023
01:36:48,669 --> 01:36:46,579
that people really wanted it handled

2024
01:36:51,370 --> 01:36:48,679
frankly which is issue a Burn Notice

2025
01:36:53,620 --> 01:36:51,380
against John venturi essentially and say

2026
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:53,630
he's not welcome in the organization

2027
01:36:56,649 --> 01:36:55,070
anymore and that really did not happen

2028
01:37:02,109 --> 01:36:56,659
so there's all of these things that were

2029
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:02,119
floating around and and so yeah I

2030
01:37:07,959 --> 01:37:04,820
entered into this little little cauldron

2031
01:37:12,189 --> 01:37:07,969
where my whole take was I I have to

2032
01:37:13,899 --> 01:37:12,199
speak responsibly civil in a civil way

2033
01:37:16,359 --> 01:37:13,909
but responsibly and that's what I tried

2034
01:37:19,149 --> 01:37:16,369
to do do you think that there was a lot

2035
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:19,159
of anticipation out there leading up

2036
01:37:25,540 --> 01:37:23,030
because of all of the background static

2037
01:37:27,790 --> 01:37:25,550
that was running throughout the

2038
01:37:29,890 --> 01:37:27,800
community and then certainly through the

2039
01:37:32,430 --> 01:37:29,900
constituency that is there that are

2040
01:37:36,669 --> 01:37:32,440
paying to be there that they were

2041
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:36,679
expecting a blowout a debate you know

2042
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:40,280
for absolutely absolutely yes I can tell

2043
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:43,820
you I mean it's the moment of getting

2044
01:37:47,290 --> 01:37:44,570
there

2045
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:47,300
the entire the entire weekend go get him

2046
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:49,460
Richard go get him Richard yeah I mean I

2047
01:37:53,589 --> 01:37:51,530
they really I mean there are members who

2048
01:37:54,580 --> 01:37:53,599
wanted it to be like a cage match it is

2049
01:37:57,549 --> 01:37:54,590
it's a riot

2050
01:37:59,640 --> 01:37:57,559
see it's throwing down and which is not

2051
01:38:02,439 --> 01:37:59,650
cool by the way I mean you know and I

2052
01:38:07,089 --> 01:38:02,449
want to do that but but on the other

2053
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:07,099
hand I I have always felt an obligation

2054
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:11,449
to represent the UFO field and in the

2055
01:38:17,890 --> 01:38:13,249
best way that I can in a responsible way

2056
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:17,900
and when I do feel that non-credible

2057
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:20,690
claims are being promoted right on the

2058
01:38:25,330 --> 01:38:23,449
panel where I'm sitting then I have to

2059
01:38:27,700 --> 01:38:25,340
speak up I mean otherwise because here's

2060
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:27,710
what happens if I don't speak up then

2061
01:38:31,629 --> 01:38:30,110
that's forever right because that panel

2062
01:38:34,989 --> 01:38:31,639
right now is on YouTube and it's there

2063
01:38:39,310 --> 01:38:34,999
for the rest of all time and every time

2064
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:39,320
that I'm in a situation where I'm

2065
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:41,150
forced to confront someone like I have

2066
01:38:45,130 --> 01:38:42,590
to think about this because it's always

2067
01:38:46,570 --> 01:38:45,140
going to be recorded I mean there's many

2068
01:38:48,820 --> 01:38:46,580
times in my life when I would have been

2069
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:48,830
very happy to weasel out of having a

2070
01:38:55,330 --> 01:38:51,890
confrontation because I didn't want to

2071
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:55,340
have the I didn't want to you know fight

2072
01:39:00,490 --> 01:38:58,610
I didn't want to like get into it but I

2073
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:00,500
knew that that would not be the case

2074
01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:03,410
here that I had to speak my mind and by

2075
01:39:05,980 --> 01:39:04,760
the way that panel is on You Tube I

2076
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:05,990
would encourage people to listen to it

2077
01:39:10,540 --> 01:39:08,960
and really it's essentially for

2078
01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:10,550
individuals and myself

2079
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:13,070
and I I had the different opinion and

2080
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:15,290
what I said okay well okay we'll get to

2081
01:39:21,670 --> 01:39:17,930
that did you guys hang out before the

2082
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:21,680
panel not at all

2083
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:25,280
I mean I've there wasn't a way it was

2084
01:39:30,610 --> 01:39:27,830
Michael Salah we've talked on a number

2085
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:30,620
of occasions right I think he and his

2086
01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:34,490
wife are very lovely people so I've met

2087
01:39:41,530 --> 01:39:38,300
him socially I did not talk with Andrew

2088
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:41,540
before the panel I did take a this is

2089
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:45,050
funny actually a the bus the the from

2090
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:47,690
the airport to the hotel Tracy and I

2091
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:50,810
arrived in Las Vegas I'm talking to my

2092
01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:52,910
driver and he says yeah I'm here at the

2093
01:39:55,690 --> 01:39:54,500
baggage claim with Andrew basiago I'm

2094
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:55,700
going to drive all of you together oh

2095
01:40:02,680 --> 01:39:58,010
man we just look at each other we

2096
01:40:04,810 --> 01:40:02,690
thought awkward what was that

2097
01:40:05,290 --> 01:40:04,820
conversation like on the way to the

2098
01:40:08,260 --> 01:40:05,300
hotel

2099
01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:08,270
it was actually very it was fine you

2100
01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:11,780
know the thing about Andrew is from my

2101
01:40:17,710 --> 01:40:13,790
perspective my dealings with them he's

2102
01:40:20,710 --> 01:40:17,720
an extremely likable human being when

2103
01:40:23,710 --> 01:40:20,720
you meet him he's very intelligent and

2104
01:40:25,420 --> 01:40:23,720
he's nice what am I going to say against

2105
01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:25,430
him I can't say anything personal

2106
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:25,910
against them

2107
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:27,850
we were very like dancing around things

2108
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:29,990
for a while we wouldn't want to talk

2109
01:40:33,820 --> 01:40:32,210
about this and finally as we were about

2110
01:40:37,660 --> 01:40:33,830
to walk into the hotel I broke the ice

2111
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:37,670
and I and I just said look okay I'm not

2112
01:40:42,610 --> 01:40:39,650
here to go after you personally I have

2113
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:42,620
no interest in doing that and he said I

2114
01:40:46,630 --> 01:40:44,540
understand that and he said you should

2115
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:46,640
become more familiar with my story and I

2116
01:40:51,550 --> 01:40:48,770
say well I I am familiar with your story

2117
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,560
I'm familiar enough with your story like

2118
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:53,119
I don't believe you went back to Getty

2119
01:40:56,979 --> 01:40:55,760
berg in 1863 and photographed and there

2120
01:40:59,439 --> 01:40:56,989
you are in the picture just because you

2121
01:41:02,200 --> 01:40:59,449
say that's you that I don't believe you

2122
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:02,210
said that to him I said well I don't

2123
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:04,670
believe that okay

2124
01:41:10,959 --> 01:41:08,210
I don't know if I mentioned about Barack

2125
01:41:12,700 --> 01:41:10,969
Obama being with him to Mars I I don't

2126
01:41:14,770 --> 01:41:12,710
believe that I don't know if I said that

2127
01:41:16,689 --> 01:41:14,780
to Andrew but but on the other hand I

2128
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:16,699
mean I said look I would be willing to

2129
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:18,290
talk with you one-on-one and I am

2130
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:21,679
actually I am we haven't since then but

2131
01:41:25,660 --> 01:41:24,170
I am fine and we have each other's phone

2132
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:25,670
number so I'm in his cell phone he's in

2133
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:28,250
mind okay good so he could we could talk

2134
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:31,610
and yeah I'm not opposed to it I don't

2135
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:34,400
think he's going to persuade me he's had

2136
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,409
many opportunities through his lectures

2137
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,480
and unfamiliar with them and I just I

2138
01:41:45,310 --> 01:41:41,360
don't believe now it is it impossible

2139
01:41:46,899 --> 01:41:45,320
that there's a program on Mars I'm going

2140
01:41:50,890 --> 01:41:46,909
to say that is not impossible

2141
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,900
alright but what is you know the devil

2142
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:53,119
is in the details and the thing is you

2143
01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:55,070
got to look at people's stories over the

2144
01:41:59,050 --> 01:41:56,920
course of time as they have told it and

2145
01:42:02,530 --> 01:41:59,060
how those stories have changed and

2146
01:42:04,899 --> 01:42:02,540
evolved and you find inconsistencies and

2147
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:04,909
you find oddities and that is the case

2148
01:42:09,339 --> 01:42:06,290
with Andy and that is the case with Cori

2149
01:42:14,589 --> 01:42:09,349
good as well I would say and in the case

2150
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:14,599
of William Tompkins I you know I don't

2151
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:16,730
want to talk about against a man is 94

2152
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:18,409
years old so I don't really know what's

2153
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:23,650
up with him but I don't believe that he

2154
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:28,400
actually drew galactic quality I mean he

2155
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:30,409
drew them but I don't think it had

2156
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:32,810
anything more happen than that certainly

2157
01:42:38,830 --> 01:42:36,560
not in the 1950s or 60s you know there

2158
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:38,840
are many well what's difficult was

2159
01:42:42,700 --> 01:42:41,210
William don't you do believe but I but I

2160
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:42,710
don't believe those three individuals

2161
01:42:48,430 --> 01:42:45,199
what's difficult with William is he's

2162
01:42:50,589 --> 01:42:48,440
got the the credentials and the

2163
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,599
paperwork to back up his identity and he

2164
01:42:55,870 --> 01:42:52,639
says who he's you know his his military

2165
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:55,880
career well he some of his military

2166
01:43:01,720 --> 01:42:58,880
careers is identifiable yes he hasn't

2167
01:43:04,979 --> 01:43:01,730
had what is clear about him is that he

2168
01:43:06,910 --> 01:43:04,989
has a low level in a low-level kind of

2169
01:43:09,010 --> 01:43:06,920
designation during World War two

2170
01:43:13,209 --> 01:43:09,020
he was a kid he was like in his late

2171
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:13,219
teens so he would and what has been

2172
01:43:18,910 --> 01:43:16,250
argued by Michael salah and Thompkins

2173
01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:18,920
makes his claim is that he had a covert

2174
01:43:23,979 --> 01:43:21,350
element to his world war ii career and

2175
01:43:27,010 --> 01:43:23,989
and that could be true like i recognize

2176
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:27,020
that the argument that and the evidence

2177
01:43:30,610 --> 01:43:28,730
that is put forward for that is not a

2178
01:43:32,620 --> 01:43:30,620
bad argument no it's pretty strong

2179
01:43:35,020 --> 01:43:32,630
actually yeah i think i think that's

2180
01:43:37,390 --> 01:43:35,030
probably true and i just but but the

2181
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,400
problem is that that is irrelevant it is

2182
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:39,199
utterly irrelevant having anything to do

2183
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:41,199
with claims about a secret space program

2184
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:43,489
so it is entirely possible that

2185
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:49,489
Thompkins had a covert job and and he

2186
01:43:55,660 --> 01:43:52,400
claims that it was a covert job now this

2187
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:55,670
is where we really are making a stretch

2188
01:44:03,490 --> 01:43:59,600
here that had to do with you know our

2189
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:03,500
agents who are in nazi germany ferreting

2190
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:07,610
out Nazi technology now that's that's a

2191
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:10,370
different and a much more radical claim

2192
01:44:15,010 --> 01:44:13,310
and that is one that neither Michael nor

2193
01:44:18,130 --> 01:44:15,020
Bill Tompkins have been able to

2194
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,140
substantiate and I doubt that they will

2195
01:44:22,419 --> 01:44:20,719
be able to but but that Tompkins may

2196
01:44:23,229 --> 01:44:22,429
have done some classified work Brad

2197
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:23,239
Billerica Botta

2198
01:44:29,709 --> 01:44:27,050
yes in World War two I'm acknowledging

2199
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:29,719
that that's probably the case but then

2200
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:33,770
you go to the entire mini skirted aliens

2201
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:39,710
and you go to the the image of the woman

2202
01:44:44,410 --> 01:44:41,449
who has bet founder of the Royal Society

2203
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:44,420
I can't remember her name offhand but

2204
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,880
Tompkins says like she was the woman or

2205
01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:48,800
she was the identical splitting image of

2206
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:51,140
the woman who was the Pleiadian in the

2207
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,890
1950s and I'm just calling BS on that I

2208
01:44:59,320 --> 01:44:56,239
like I don't believe that that was the

2209
01:45:01,479 --> 01:44:59,330
case I didn't say that on the panel and

2210
01:45:03,570 --> 01:45:01,489
I argue other things on the panel but I

2211
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:03,580
didn't want to get into that whole thing

2212
01:45:11,470 --> 01:45:06,410
but how do you think the audience

2213
01:45:14,110 --> 01:45:11,480
reception was to and I'm sure they were

2214
01:45:16,090 --> 01:45:14,120
just fine with you but with with Corey

2215
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:16,100
and and Salah and gotcha

2216
01:45:20,299 --> 01:45:18,209
orders of

2217
01:45:21,949 --> 01:45:20,309
of Corey good and William Tompkins at

2218
01:45:24,529 --> 01:45:21,959
that panel absolutely at the in the

2219
01:45:26,839 --> 01:45:24,539
audience there were definitely and an

2220
01:45:28,879 --> 01:45:26,849
Andrew there were a number of

2221
01:45:30,979 --> 01:45:28,889
individuals who by the very questions

2222
01:45:33,919 --> 01:45:30,989
certainly seem that they were supporting

2223
01:45:38,299 --> 01:45:33,929
were there is warming L seats was there

2224
01:45:39,620 --> 01:45:38,309
any uncomfortable moments I wouldn't I

2225
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:39,630
actually wouldn't be the best person to

2226
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:41,489
tell you that I mean I when I'm on a

2227
01:45:46,699 --> 01:45:43,860
panel especially that panel I was very

2228
01:45:49,279 --> 01:45:46,709
focused on what was being said sure

2229
01:45:51,919 --> 01:45:49,289
that's what I wanted to say and I really

2230
01:45:56,779 --> 01:45:51,929
wasn't studying the audience so no

2231
01:45:57,890 --> 01:45:56,789
murmuring no rubbing so um I think

2232
01:45:59,629 --> 01:45:57,900
there's an interesting statement at the

2233
01:46:01,580 --> 01:45:59,639
end by Jim man as a friend of mine he's

2234
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:01,590
the head of Phoenix MUFON what one of

2235
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:04,110
the best MUFON groups in the country

2236
01:46:12,049 --> 01:46:09,300
absolutely Meza I mean and Jim got up

2237
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,059
there and and I wish well it's on

2238
01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:13,679
YouTube so people can listen to it but

2239
01:46:18,410 --> 01:46:16,289
I'm only in a paraphrase but he it was a

2240
01:46:20,569 --> 01:46:18,420
very strong statement against those

2241
01:46:26,330 --> 01:46:20,579
individuals and a very strong statement

2242
01:46:28,189 --> 01:46:26,340
for Responsible UFO research so people

2243
01:46:30,469 --> 01:46:28,199
should check that out at very end of the

2244
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:30,479
panel on YouTube and I do encourage

2245
01:46:41,569 --> 01:46:35,840
people to listen to it I thought the it

2246
01:46:44,089 --> 01:46:41,579
brought out a you know the dichotomy

2247
01:46:46,489 --> 01:46:44,099
that's going on in this field right now

2248
01:46:47,660 --> 01:46:46,499
and what I said and I want to say this

2249
01:46:49,009 --> 01:46:47,670
here because I feel that this is

2250
01:46:50,660 --> 01:46:49,019
fundamental and I got I really got

2251
01:46:54,049 --> 01:46:50,670
strongly criticized just recently by

2252
01:46:55,580 --> 01:46:54,059
Michael salla for saying it I was

2253
01:46:59,779 --> 01:46:55,590
surprised that he decided to go there

2254
01:47:04,459 --> 01:46:59,789
but what I said and when I'll repeat

2255
01:47:07,729 --> 01:47:04,469
till in blue is that you know I as a UFO

2256
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,739
researcher for example when I am dealing

2257
01:47:12,859 --> 01:47:09,840
with the outside world people who don't

2258
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:12,869
know anything about UFOs I recognize

2259
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:15,780
that I have an obligation to present

2260
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:17,880
evidence for those people to examine and

2261
01:47:22,879 --> 01:47:20,130
it is their choice to accept or reject

2262
01:47:26,449 --> 01:47:22,889
my evidence but it's my job to present

2263
01:47:30,060 --> 01:47:26,459
evidence that other people can look at

2264
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:30,070
and as I've done that I feel that

2265
01:47:34,919 --> 01:47:32,010
you know there's a great deal of

2266
01:47:36,510 --> 01:47:34,929
documentary evidence attesting to the

2267
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:36,520
reality of this phenomenon and to the

2268
01:47:45,330 --> 01:47:41,110
cover-up as well so that's where I go I

2269
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:45,340
don't I don't demand people to trust me

2270
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:47,860
because I've got this really good inside

2271
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:50,040
guy who says this is this and this I

2272
01:47:54,569 --> 01:47:52,480
don't do that because that's actually

2273
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:54,579
implicitly arrogant and it implicitly

2274
01:47:59,010 --> 01:47:57,760
puts you above the audience because

2275
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:59,020
you're basically saying I am the

2276
01:48:03,709 --> 01:48:00,639
receptacle of special knowledge here

2277
01:48:07,229 --> 01:48:03,719
you're not so you have to believe me and

2278
01:48:08,879 --> 01:48:07,239
oh yes I'm very important and I'm an

2279
01:48:10,919 --> 01:48:08,889
ambassador to all of these people and I

2280
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:10,929
mean Cory Goods not the only person who

2281
01:48:16,890 --> 01:48:13,170
says you know that's gone on for decades

2282
01:48:18,959 --> 01:48:16,900
I mean that every time anyone says that

2283
01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:18,969
right I actually don't believe them

2284
01:48:23,850 --> 01:48:21,550
because it's certainly not true right

2285
01:48:25,890 --> 01:48:23,860
and be recognized that what they're

2286
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:25,900
doing implicitly is a power game over

2287
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:29,199
you all right so in it's really not good

2288
01:48:36,089 --> 01:48:33,040
cricket it's not fair so what I said

2289
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:36,099
anyway was that as a researcher I expect

2290
01:48:39,149 --> 01:48:37,840
other people to demand evidence from me

2291
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:39,159
that they can examine and that's fair

2292
01:48:44,250 --> 01:48:42,520
and I said you whistleblowers on here on

2293
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:44,260
the panel with me have the same

2294
01:48:52,530 --> 01:48:49,030
obligation to provide evidence that we

2295
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:52,540
can examine in other words like most of

2296
01:48:56,729 --> 01:48:54,489
it we don't even know who you are for

2297
01:49:00,800 --> 01:48:56,739
for real like we don't know your genuine

2298
01:49:03,450 --> 01:49:00,810
backgrounds I mean other than Tompkins

2299
01:49:07,770 --> 01:49:03,460
much less your stories and by the way

2300
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:07,780
the stories are all I mean look what

2301
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:11,770
Corey has been saying every single claim

2302
01:49:15,390 --> 01:49:13,840
he's made other than blue avians has

2303
01:49:18,319 --> 01:49:15,400
been floating around in this community

2304
01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:18,329
all of it was there long before

2305
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:21,550
including stuff that you know ideas that

2306
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:23,530
I originated like the idea of a

2307
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:28,420
breakaway civilization and my goodness

2308
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,310
even the idea of a secret space program

2309
01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:32,320
which I was talking about back in

2310
01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:35,230
2010-2011 and I'm not saying I'm the

2311
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:37,750
only source for that but these ideas

2312
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:41,320
were absolutely current and out there

2313
01:49:46,740 --> 01:49:44,760
so you know if they're going to claim

2314
01:49:47,940 --> 01:49:46,750
special Providence well they're gonna

2315
01:49:50,670 --> 01:49:47,950
have to do something better than just

2316
01:49:52,830 --> 01:49:50,680
say and trust me which it fundamentally

2317
01:49:54,660 --> 01:49:52,840
is really what these people are doing

2318
01:49:58,170 --> 01:49:54,670
they don't count as whistleblowers I

2319
01:50:00,510 --> 01:49:58,180
said because I don't know who they are I

2320
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:00,520
use the example of William Binney of the

2321
01:50:05,190 --> 01:50:03,760
NSA I know who William Binney is the

2322
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:05,200
entire world knows who he is his

2323
01:50:10,230 --> 01:50:07,810
background as one of the senior NSA code

2324
01:50:12,150 --> 01:50:10,240
makers and officers is well known and

2325
01:50:16,530 --> 01:50:12,160
documented the fact that he was arrested

2326
01:50:18,930 --> 01:50:16,540
by the FBI for being in a hero is well

2327
01:50:20,970 --> 01:50:18,940
documented right the fact that he talked

2328
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:20,980
about how the NSA spies on the American

2329
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:22,210
public long before the world knew about

2330
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:24,910
Snowden is well-documented he counts

2331
01:50:29,340 --> 01:50:27,520
he's a whistleblower account gary

2332
01:50:31,860 --> 01:50:29,350
mckinnon as a whistleblower because I

2333
01:50:34,740 --> 01:50:31,870
know who Gary McKinnon is I know what he

2334
01:50:36,420 --> 01:50:34,750
did and and I know that the United

2335
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:36,430
States government tried to imprison him

2336
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:37,390
for over a decade

2337
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:39,370
yeah the two governments fought over him

2338
01:50:45,150 --> 01:50:42,190
for sure she's real guy grew up with a

2339
01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:45,160
real friend I cannot say the same about

2340
01:50:49,740 --> 01:50:47,500
Andy or Corey in particular what an

2341
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:49,750
order that I can't say I don't know who

2342
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:52,480
they are so until they can tell me until

2343
01:50:56,910 --> 01:50:54,790
we can talk to family members right

2344
01:51:00,570 --> 01:50:56,920
example right right right other people

2345
01:51:04,230 --> 01:51:00,580
who can vouch for them then no and in

2346
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:04,240
fact none of that is come out not not

2347
01:51:11,220 --> 01:51:09,010
even spouses not even you know I'm

2348
01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:11,230
trying to get up to speed on everything

2349
01:51:16,850 --> 01:51:12,820
that's happening here and I know that

2350
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:16,860
Corey's wife has no recollection of any

2351
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:19,810
explicit secret space program activity

2352
01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:21,250
that he's done and she has no evidence

2353
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:24,580
that she can provide other than what he

2354
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:27,010
tells her so what do we really have here

2355
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:30,610
I mean maybe it's true maybe beyond all

2356
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,450
of that all of my doubts it's true

2357
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:36,880
but what I would say is that it doesn't

2358
01:51:40,410 --> 01:51:39,010
even matter if I believe or if you

2359
01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:40,420
believe it really doesn't matter what I

2360
01:51:48,900 --> 01:51:43,720
say is they've got to provide something

2361
01:51:50,490 --> 01:51:48,910
that we genuinely can examine well if

2362
01:51:51,660 --> 01:51:50,500
well let me ask you let me try that I

2363
01:51:54,659 --> 01:51:51,670
don't really what to do with these two

2364
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:54,669
well let me jump in really quick what if

2365
01:52:00,779 --> 01:51:58,449
um Cory he's going to be on the show

2366
01:52:03,569 --> 01:52:00,789
tomorrow right if I brought Cory on

2367
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:03,579
tomorrow not saying that I would but

2368
01:52:11,069 --> 01:52:07,209
what if I you know got all of the the

2369
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:11,079
bean spilled name of elementary school

2370
01:52:17,549 --> 01:52:13,030
junior high school as parents name

2371
01:52:21,569 --> 01:52:17,559
street addresses it's just the the

2372
01:52:24,299 --> 01:52:21,579
full-on list of the CV in its completion

2373
01:52:26,819 --> 01:52:24,309
does that change things well I'd like to

2374
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:26,829
see a character analysis done right so

2375
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:29,530
for one thing you know what people

2376
01:52:32,580 --> 01:52:31,090
who've known him well would have to say

2377
01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:32,590
about him what kind of person is he

2378
01:52:35,909 --> 01:52:34,209
really right I don't know what kind of

2379
01:52:38,250 --> 01:52:35,919
person I've spoken with him right and

2380
01:52:40,739 --> 01:52:38,260
he's very he's very genial with me and

2381
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:40,749
he's very he was gracious and I have no

2382
01:52:45,299 --> 01:52:42,610
complaints about how he spoke with me

2383
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:45,309
personally but I don't really know what

2384
01:52:49,469 --> 01:52:48,010
kind of person he is well you know and

2385
01:52:53,459 --> 01:52:49,479
better than I do but I don't

2386
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:53,469
well I remember and in your defense I

2387
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:55,119
want everybody to understand something

2388
01:53:02,669 --> 01:52:58,530
here when Cory spoke here in Los Angeles

2389
01:53:04,169 --> 01:53:02,679
after I introduced Cory I walk off the

2390
01:53:08,339 --> 01:53:04,179
stage and I'm walking out of the room

2391
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:08,349
and I bump into Richard Dolan right so

2392
01:53:16,379 --> 01:53:12,880
Richard is standing on the side leaning

2393
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:16,389
against the wall and and you stopped me

2394
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:17,530
and you said I'm going to listen to

2395
01:53:23,549 --> 01:53:19,630
everything he has to say we'll talk

2396
01:53:26,429 --> 01:53:23,559
later and I said okay good and I split

2397
01:53:28,529 --> 01:53:26,439
well after that you did come up to me

2398
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:28,539
outside and you said let's let's talk

2399
01:53:34,770 --> 01:53:32,169
and and I said okay let's do what did

2400
01:53:37,319 --> 01:53:34,780
you think and now that was a private

2401
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:37,329
conversation but the what was

2402
01:53:41,609 --> 01:53:39,489
interesting was you flipped it back on

2403
01:53:44,370 --> 01:53:41,619
to me and you said I want to know what

2404
01:53:47,370 --> 01:53:44,380
you think Church right is it okay all

2405
01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:47,380
right that's right and and I said I'm

2406
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:48,820
going to be honest with you Richard

2407
01:53:54,060 --> 01:53:52,239
we're dealing with one of three quarries

2408
01:53:57,449 --> 01:53:54,070
here and I don't know which one it is

2409
01:54:02,699 --> 01:53:57,459
we're dealing with somebody that is that

2410
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:02,709
is been to Mars and is on the council

2411
01:54:08,379 --> 01:54:06,760
right he's a delegate or he's somebody

2412
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:08,389
that is lying

2413
01:54:14,830 --> 01:54:11,510
for money and as an opportunist and this

2414
01:54:17,979 --> 01:54:14,840
is a big hoax or see and the third

2415
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:17,989
quarry that is out there is that there's

2416
01:54:23,530 --> 01:54:20,690
some kind of MKULTRA mind control thing

2417
01:54:25,570 --> 01:54:23,540
where he believes what he is saying is

2418
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,580
true but these are some type of false

2419
01:54:31,149 --> 01:54:27,920
memories and it's something sinister

2420
01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:31,159
so the and I don't know and I've asked

2421
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:33,860
Corey those same three things I

2422
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,770
presented that to well you know and I

2423
01:54:41,290 --> 01:54:38,719
don't would none of us know but we don't

2424
01:54:43,060 --> 01:54:41,300
have anything to work off of so it's

2425
01:54:44,379 --> 01:54:43,070
either people believe what they want to

2426
01:54:47,050 --> 01:54:44,389
believe they choose to trust him or not

2427
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:47,060
and there you go because he's Richard

2428
01:54:51,129 --> 01:54:49,610
bleep and Dolan I'm your host Amy church

2429
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this is fade to black we'll be right

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back

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[Applause]

2514
01:58:34,450 --> 01:58:30,590
you want to know a secret

2515
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I love bullies I really love for these

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2517
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poor mr. Bush why fade to black

2518
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this is fade to black

2519
01:58:55,060 --> 01:58:51,380
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2520
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:55,070
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[Music]

2523
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:11,130
welcome back fade to black

2524
01:59:17,570 --> 01:59:14,370
I guess tonight Richard Dolan always

2525
01:59:21,710 --> 01:59:17,580
always the dynamic conversation with Sir

2526
01:59:23,900 --> 01:59:21,720
Richard Richard bleedin Dolan follow me

2527
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:23,910
on Twitter I teach radio email is jimmy

2528
01:59:28,460 --> 01:59:25,770
at jimmy church radio calm and you can

2529
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:28,470
follow richard at rich dolan i don't

2530
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:31,260
think there's an underscore rich i can't

2531
01:59:33,380 --> 01:59:31,710
forget

2532
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:33,390
yeah i don't know i don't think there is

2533
01:59:38,330 --> 01:59:35,040
i don't want to mislead you can search

2534
01:59:42,170 --> 01:59:38,340
me out and um yeah I've got a Twitter

2535
01:59:46,010 --> 01:59:42,180
feed I do Facebook and there's my

2536
01:59:48,230 --> 01:59:46,020
website now back back to this which is

2537
01:59:49,790 --> 01:59:48,240
Richard Dolan press comm doesn't say

2538
01:59:51,380 --> 01:59:49,800
that yeah go ahead with the links are

2539
01:59:53,300 --> 01:59:51,390
over at Jimmy Church radio they they

2540
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:53,310
know how to find you gotcha

2541
02:00:01,040 --> 01:59:58,110
um okay so as you sat through the panel

2542
02:00:04,330 --> 02:00:01,050
and listened to everybody's

2543
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:04,340
presentations maybe even got the feel of

2544
02:00:08,540 --> 02:00:07,170
personalities and feeling what was going

2545
02:00:10,730 --> 02:00:08,550
on with the but you know it's a pretty

2546
02:00:14,390 --> 02:00:10,740
good crowd - by the way of remove on

2547
02:00:18,950 --> 02:00:14,400
having 800 there what's your what's your

2548
02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:18,960
position now you know I mean do you feel

2549
02:00:25,460 --> 02:00:20,940
that these are voices that need to be

2550
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:25,470
heard or I mean do you feel differently

2551
02:00:32,030 --> 02:00:27,690
I know I think these are voices that

2552
02:00:36,050 --> 02:00:32,040
need to justify much better than they

2553
02:00:39,020 --> 02:00:36,060
have up till now just to buy their case

2554
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:39,030
I just I don't feel that they've justify

2555
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:40,560
their case now I want to I want to just

2556
02:00:47,990 --> 02:00:46,650
emphasize that I have believed for many

2557
02:00:52,220 --> 02:00:48,000
years and I continue to believe that

2558
02:00:55,220 --> 02:00:52,230
there is a secret space program so you

2559
02:00:57,190 --> 02:00:55,230
know that that's and I've felt this for

2560
02:01:00,560 --> 02:00:57,200
a long time and I've gone by a

2561
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:00,570
combination of things that I know

2562
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:04,080
relating to the UFO phenomenon things

2563
02:01:12,950 --> 02:01:07,730
that I know relating to traditional

2564
02:01:15,980 --> 02:01:12,960
historical genuine insider statements

2565
02:01:18,140 --> 02:01:15,990
about the moon and about UFOs

2566
02:01:20,989 --> 02:01:18,150
accompanying our astronauts on the way

2567
02:01:23,540 --> 02:01:20,999
to the moon is quite a bit of that

2568
02:01:26,809 --> 02:01:23,550
what I know about anomalies that have

2569
02:01:29,779 --> 02:01:26,819
been recorded in Earth orbit which

2570
02:01:31,939 --> 02:01:29,789
there's quite a few very very good ones

2571
02:01:35,689 --> 02:01:31,949
that are hard to explain the way as

2572
02:01:37,790 --> 02:01:35,699
conventional I mean some are but there's

2573
02:01:41,779 --> 02:01:37,800
a number that are not so there's a their

2574
02:01:46,009 --> 02:01:41,789
strangeness happening in Earth orbit and

2575
02:01:47,839 --> 02:01:46,019
what I've said for years is it's so fact

2576
02:01:49,549 --> 02:01:47,849
though that that's going to be evidence

2577
02:01:51,829 --> 02:01:49,559
of the secret space program no matter

2578
02:01:53,689 --> 02:01:51,839
who's behind those anomalies if even if

2579
02:01:55,309 --> 02:01:53,699
we're not making those anomalies we're

2580
02:01:57,469 --> 02:01:55,319
going to be studying them covertly and

2581
02:01:59,719 --> 02:01:57,479
that would be a secret space program but

2582
02:02:04,309 --> 02:01:59,729
on top of that there's there's a few

2583
02:02:08,599 --> 02:02:04,319
other insider leaks that I do credit I

2584
02:02:10,369 --> 02:02:08,609
credit the 1988 arv story this is the

2585
02:02:13,699 --> 02:02:10,379
alien reproduction vehicle story that

2586
02:02:16,009 --> 02:02:13,709
comes from an aerospace aviation

2587
02:02:18,919 --> 02:02:16,019
executive named Branch Sorenson that

2588
02:02:20,959 --> 02:02:18,929
story that whole account comes to mark

2589
02:02:24,290 --> 02:02:20,969
McCandlish was an aviation illustrator

2590
02:02:27,559 --> 02:02:24,300
and a lot of people interviewed Brad

2591
02:02:30,949 --> 02:02:27,569
Sorensen like high-level very well

2592
02:02:33,049 --> 02:02:30,959
plugged in individuals who all came away

2593
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:33,059
believing his story and what he claimed

2594
02:02:38,929 --> 02:02:36,649
was that he went to an airshow a

2595
02:02:42,109 --> 02:02:38,939
classified airshow and he saw three

2596
02:02:44,540 --> 02:02:42,119
hovering objects that were essentially

2597
02:02:47,719 --> 02:02:44,550
flying saucers described as alien

2598
02:02:49,939 --> 02:02:47,729
reproduction vehicles this is a 1988 a

2599
02:02:53,389 --> 02:02:49,949
four-star general was lecturing at a

2600
02:02:54,770 --> 02:02:53,399
podium about them and stated that they

2601
02:02:55,309 --> 02:02:54,780
had travelled through the solar system

2602
02:02:58,520 --> 02:02:55,319
by them

2603
02:03:01,099 --> 02:02:58,530
that's 1988 and that their energy source

2604
02:03:03,079 --> 02:03:01,109
was the vacuum this was a year before

2605
02:03:06,379 --> 02:03:03,089
the first published paper on zero-point

2606
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:06,389
energy sometimes known as a vacuum so

2607
02:03:10,759 --> 02:03:08,010
there's an interesting story and I

2608
02:03:12,979 --> 02:03:10,769
believe in story there's others there's

2609
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:12,989
actually a very good case to be made for

2610
02:03:20,179 --> 02:03:14,729
a secret space program but the

2611
02:03:25,159 --> 02:03:20,189
difference for me is that for me it's a

2612
02:03:27,109 --> 02:03:25,169
hypothesis and a probable scenario so I

2613
02:03:28,669 --> 02:03:27,119
have not made a claim that I've been

2614
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:28,679
part of it now in theory you would think

2615
02:03:33,130 --> 02:03:30,719
okay well if it exists then at some

2616
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:33,140
point there would be insiders it would

2617
02:03:37,930 --> 02:03:34,370
something to say about it and that's a

2618
02:03:42,540 --> 02:03:37,940
valid position I just don't believe that

2619
02:03:47,590 --> 02:03:42,550
these individuals are those insiders the

2620
02:03:53,530 --> 02:03:47,600
the other aspect of all of this is I

2621
02:03:57,810 --> 02:03:53,540
mean for me is why do it that's that's

2622
02:04:00,610 --> 02:03:57,820
that's the question that I've always had

2623
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:00,620
it's just why do it why do it why do it

2624
02:04:05,230 --> 02:04:02,090
there nobody's driving a Lamborghini

2625
02:04:07,420 --> 02:04:05,240
here I don't think well there are some

2626
02:04:08,980 --> 02:04:07,430
people who get off on lying I mean I you

2627
02:04:10,780 --> 02:04:08,990
know I had a friend years ago I talked

2628
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:10,790
about him a number of times great guy

2629
02:04:15,460 --> 02:04:12,560
had hundreds of cups of coffee with a

2630
02:04:17,890 --> 02:04:15,470
brilliant funny good friend lied his ass

2631
02:04:20,610 --> 02:04:17,900
off and lied about things pertaining to

2632
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:20,620
himself all the time and we didn't even

2633
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:22,730
are friends we didn't know about this

2634
02:04:28,690 --> 02:04:25,100
until after he died he died tragically

2635
02:04:31,810 --> 02:04:28,700
young and I miss him to this day but he

2636
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:31,820
was he loved to tell tall tales it

2637
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:33,170
didn't make him a bad person by the way

2638
02:04:38,170 --> 02:04:35,110
it just means it were complicated people

2639
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:38,180
so I don't know why people say the

2640
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:40,610
things that they do sometimes I I can't

2641
02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:43,360
get into everyone's head but people do

2642
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:47,510
tell falsehoods and that's just what

2643
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:52,250
happens and so when a researcher gets an

2644
02:04:58,780 --> 02:04:55,520
account from an individual I mean they

2645
02:05:01,150 --> 02:04:58,790
can't simply just take it that is true

2646
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:01,160
and this is where I really I'm going to

2647
02:05:08,140 --> 02:05:02,570
respond publicly to something Michael

2648
02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:08,150
salla wrote to me about me below one of

2649
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:10,130
the YouTube interviews that I gave

2650
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:11,810
recently with Bill Ryan of who's the

2651
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:16,730
founder of Avalon and I was very

2652
02:05:22,660 --> 02:05:18,890
surprised frankly that Michael decided

2653
02:05:23,860 --> 02:05:22,670
to go where he did and well let me know

2654
02:05:26,430 --> 02:05:23,870
about it like he got hurt so he

2655
02:05:30,580 --> 02:05:26,440
basically said that I engage in in in

2656
02:05:32,620 --> 02:05:30,590
clever sophistry when I stated that it's

2657
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:32,630
that is the obligation of these

2658
02:05:36,220 --> 02:05:34,310
individuals to provide evidence he says

2659
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:36,230
it's not the obligation of them it is

2660
02:05:40,150 --> 02:05:37,970
the obligation of researchers to

2661
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:40,160
disprove them and I say that that's

2662
02:05:43,180 --> 02:05:41,810
wrong right that's absolutely wrong

2663
02:05:44,650 --> 02:05:43,190
because if that's the obligation that

2664
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:44,660
were right back to the Salem witch

2665
02:05:50,220 --> 02:05:47,090
trials where any any

2666
02:05:52,810 --> 02:05:50,230
that someone makes is taken as true and

2667
02:05:55,330 --> 02:05:52,820
that's ridiculous that's absurd

2668
02:05:57,310 --> 02:05:55,340
and well not my obligation to disprove

2669
02:05:58,690 --> 02:05:57,320
your claim it is your obligation to

2670
02:06:01,210 --> 02:05:58,700
provide me with evidence that I can

2671
02:06:03,250 --> 02:06:01,220
examine right well I can't I can't

2672
02:06:07,870 --> 02:06:03,260
comment on any of that because I haven't

2673
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:07,880
seen that video or or that interview or

2674
02:06:13,260 --> 02:06:10,400
I haven't been a project Avalon I have

2675
02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:13,270
no idea what goes on in that forum and

2676
02:06:18,940 --> 02:06:16,340
or any of the other stuff I just don't I

2677
02:06:21,610 --> 02:06:18,950
don't want to get clouded or or get

2678
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:21,620
bogged down and so but I'll just and I'm

2679
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:23,360
not even responding personally there

2680
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:24,890
were some personal remarks he made that

2681
02:06:34,810 --> 02:06:28,880
I was a bit surprised by but um you know

2682
02:06:38,020 --> 02:06:34,820
my attitude is we are very foolish if we

2683
02:06:41,110 --> 02:06:38,030
abandon an evidence-based approach to

2684
02:06:43,150 --> 02:06:41,120
this phenomenon it's it's important to

2685
02:06:44,970 --> 02:06:43,160
speculate my goodness I do it all the

2686
02:06:47,530 --> 02:06:44,980
time some people think I do it too often

2687
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:47,540
well what really is very important but

2688
02:06:51,190 --> 02:06:49,250
we have to be factually based is sure

2689
02:06:54,160 --> 02:06:51,200
sure and then so then what do we do

2690
02:06:59,740 --> 02:06:54,170
Richard when we when we have things like

2691
02:07:02,200 --> 02:06:59,750
a Whitley Strieber and communion or or

2692
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:02,210
Travis Walton or Betty and Barney Hill

2693
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:06,920
or or or or or or every story has to be

2694
02:07:13,420 --> 02:07:09,290
analyzed individually so but there's no

2695
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:13,430
evidence for anything in Travis's case

2696
02:07:16,060 --> 02:07:15,230
we've got we've got something that's

2697
02:07:18,910 --> 02:07:16,070
actually pretty good

2698
02:07:21,490 --> 02:07:18,920
we have polygraph yes we have we have

2699
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:21,500
multiple witnesses but but yet Travis

2700
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:24,530
and six guys that he was with my thing

2701
02:07:30,220 --> 02:07:27,520
is this is but this is my take on

2702
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:30,230
anybody's story nobody came back with a

2703
02:07:36,340 --> 02:07:33,290
Palladian t-shirt right okay there's

2704
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:36,350
there's no evidence you know it's all

2705
02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:39,410
whether it's it's a polygraph test or

2706
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:43,220
eyewitness testament

2707
02:07:47,290 --> 02:07:45,890
otherwise it would be case closed you

2708
02:07:49,900 --> 02:07:47,300
know we don't win the case of someone

2709
02:07:52,540 --> 02:07:49,910
like Travis Walton I I believe his story

2710
02:07:54,700 --> 02:07:52,550
I do too I do the reason that I do is

2711
02:07:57,010 --> 02:07:54,710
for the some of the reasons that I just

2712
02:07:59,260 --> 02:07:57,020
mentioned the fact that I personally

2713
02:08:01,289 --> 02:07:59,270
have spent a great deal of face time

2714
02:08:02,789 --> 02:08:01,299
with Travis I've known him for years and

2715
02:08:04,799 --> 02:08:02,799
I'd want to drove across the state of

2716
02:08:06,359 --> 02:08:04,809
Pennsylvania alone with him and we had a

2717
02:08:09,239 --> 02:08:06,369
long conversation about life and

2718
02:08:11,309 --> 02:08:09,249
everything and about his experience and

2719
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:11,319
and the other thing is that his he has

2720
02:08:15,539 --> 02:08:13,209
never wavered not an instant not

2721
02:08:18,419 --> 02:08:15,549
expanded extrapolated on Troy absolutely

2722
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:18,429
rock song um the Betty and Barney Hill

2723
02:08:24,869 --> 02:08:21,689
case I would put in a similar category

2724
02:08:27,359 --> 02:08:24,879
and the reasons would be simply if one

2725
02:08:29,789 --> 02:08:27,369
goes and investigates the nature of the

2726
02:08:32,669 --> 02:08:29,799
case I think you can see like how this

2727
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:32,679
whole thing came about and why it's

2728
02:08:36,659 --> 02:08:35,199
probably very credible at least that

2729
02:08:37,129 --> 02:08:36,669
they're telling the truth whitley

2730
02:08:39,389 --> 02:08:37,139
strieber

2731
02:08:41,519 --> 02:08:39,399
is different and I'm friends with

2732
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:41,529
Whitley and I do believe Whitley by the

2733
02:08:46,979 --> 02:08:43,209
way but he's in a different category

2734
02:08:49,919 --> 02:08:46,989
because the vast not all but most of his

2735
02:08:53,879 --> 02:08:49,929
experiences don't really have other

2736
02:08:56,129 --> 02:08:53,889
witnesses but and I'm not the finger

2737
02:08:57,329 --> 02:08:56,139
guard anyway who wrote about report on

2738
02:08:59,279 --> 02:08:57,339
communion years ago who actually

2739
02:09:02,039 --> 02:08:59,289
investigated Whitley thinking that he

2740
02:09:04,259 --> 02:09:02,049
was hoaxing and came away after and I

2741
02:09:06,359 --> 02:09:04,269
read report on communion by Ed Conroy

2742
02:09:07,319 --> 02:09:06,369
and he came away very strongly convinced

2743
02:09:10,379 --> 02:09:07,329
that Whitley was genuine

2744
02:09:12,329 --> 02:09:10,389
yeah I deal too but but what let me let

2745
02:09:16,829 --> 02:09:12,339
me jump in though I'm not singling out

2746
02:09:18,869 --> 02:09:16,839
any of those three I could any-any UFO

2747
02:09:21,479 --> 02:09:18,879
experience that has been put into book

2748
02:09:23,369 --> 02:09:21,489
form it can be presented with the same

2749
02:09:25,649 --> 02:09:23,379
thing I mean there there there is no

2750
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,659
evidence otherwise it would be case

2751
02:09:30,269 --> 02:09:28,719
closed on everything yet it may be say

2752
02:09:32,339 --> 02:09:30,279
there's no proof I don't know I mean I

2753
02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:32,349
think there's evidence for the UFO

2754
02:09:38,189 --> 02:09:34,089
reality for sure there's strong evidence

2755
02:09:39,899 --> 02:09:38,199
right you know I mean I go back again to

2756
02:09:43,919 --> 02:09:39,909
the military records those are not faked

2757
02:09:45,209 --> 02:09:43,929
those are real they indicate something

2758
02:09:46,889 --> 02:09:45,219
going on that's not supposed to have

2759
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:46,899
been going on and yet it was happening

2760
02:09:51,449 --> 02:09:48,729
objects that we're not supposed to exist

2761
02:09:54,509 --> 02:09:51,459
did exist we're being chased by our best

2762
02:09:56,339 --> 02:09:54,519
interceptors no child fright extract on

2763
02:09:56,879 --> 02:09:56,349
radar seen visually the whole thing it's

2764
02:09:59,009 --> 02:09:56,889
all there

2765
02:10:02,099 --> 02:09:59,019
so something important has been going on

2766
02:10:05,069 --> 02:10:02,109
and there have along with that been

2767
02:10:07,649 --> 02:10:05,079
sightings and alleged encounters with

2768
02:10:10,679 --> 02:10:07,659
non-human beings that's a little

2769
02:10:13,349 --> 02:10:10,689
different but there's so many of such

2770
02:10:14,549 --> 02:10:13,359
people and you and I and many others

2771
02:10:15,290 --> 02:10:14,559
have spoken with a lot of these people

2772
02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:15,300
in interviews

2773
02:10:20,650 --> 02:10:19,020
and I think most of us would agree that

2774
02:10:23,330 --> 02:10:20,660
they are credible individuals and

2775
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:23,340
they're not they're not really most of

2776
02:10:28,420 --> 02:10:24,570
these people are not seeking attention

2777
02:10:34,250 --> 02:10:28,430
anyway almost none of them a very few so

2778
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:34,260
you know there's that not everybody not

2779
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:37,770
every whistleblower has that same level

2780
02:10:41,930 --> 02:10:39,210
of credibility that they bring to the

2781
02:10:45,110 --> 02:10:41,940
table and when they're when they're

2782
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:45,120
making themselves the story that's one

2783
02:10:51,050 --> 02:10:48,330
thing to be wary of when when a person

2784
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:51,060
is making themselves more important and

2785
02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:53,370
than the actual story and that is the

2786
02:10:59,630 --> 02:10:54,930
case I would suggest with corian with

2787
02:11:03,350 --> 02:10:59,640
Andy and into a sense with bill

2788
02:11:07,310 --> 02:11:03,360
Thompkins and I'm a bit suspicious you

2789
02:11:10,580 --> 02:11:07,320
know yeah all we can do all we can do is

2790
02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:10,590
move forward you know I have a you know

2791
02:11:15,860 --> 02:11:12,930
going back to what I originally said in

2792
02:11:18,350 --> 02:11:15,870
this show which is we absolutely have to

2793
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:18,360
listen to everybody there's a little bit

2794
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:21,290
of something in everything I mean it

2795
02:11:28,340 --> 02:11:26,250
blows my mind how much info you know

2796
02:11:30,830 --> 02:11:28,350
better than anybody you host a radio

2797
02:11:33,590 --> 02:11:30,840
show you know what I do I'm at the

2798
02:11:37,220 --> 02:11:33,600
center of all of this information coming

2799
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:37,230
at me daily daily daily daily and on

2800
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:40,800
most of it Richard conflicts right most

2801
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:43,920
of it conflicts with the audience

2802
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:47,280
audience the thing about the UFO mystery

2803
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:51,450
is that it is so perplexing like when

2804
02:11:55,490 --> 02:11:53,690
you think you haven't answered then then

2805
02:11:57,950 --> 02:11:55,500
information comes from another direction

2806
02:11:59,690 --> 02:11:57,960
that just it gives a wholly different

2807
02:12:02,300 --> 02:11:59,700
perspective we're even refutes what you

2808
02:12:04,430 --> 02:12:02,310
think you believed there's there's

2809
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:04,440
exhaust variety of different things

2810
02:12:08,420 --> 02:12:06,570
going on here and it is incredibly

2811
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:08,430
complex it's one thing that makes it so

2812
02:12:13,370 --> 02:12:11,730
important it's so clearly on the leading

2813
02:12:16,330 --> 02:12:13,380
edge of all these different areas of

2814
02:12:20,140 --> 02:12:16,340
knowledge in our world there's a

2815
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:20,150
powerful truth to this phenomenon and we

2816
02:12:24,650 --> 02:12:22,530
really need to understand it because I

2817
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:24,660
actually believe it's the key that's

2818
02:12:27,980 --> 02:12:26,490
going to unlock us to the next phase of

2819
02:12:29,020 --> 02:12:27,990
whatever it is we're supposed to be is

2820
02:12:31,540 --> 02:12:29,030
understanding this

2821
02:12:33,250 --> 02:12:31,550
phenomenon I tell you I want to share

2822
02:12:35,890 --> 02:12:33,260
this with everybody I know we've told

2823
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:35,900
the story before but let's let's lock

2824
02:12:40,859 --> 02:12:38,960
this down one night this is a couple of

2825
02:12:43,299 --> 02:12:40,869
years ago a contact in the desert

2826
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:43,309
Richard is hanging out with the fader

2827
02:12:48,939 --> 02:12:46,010
not thriving a party and night vision

2828
02:12:52,290 --> 02:12:48,949
shows up and we ride to the night vision

2829
02:12:55,180 --> 02:12:52,300
showing up Richard Knight and Mike Berra

2830
02:12:59,410 --> 02:12:55,190
Mike as being the bump on the log that 9

2831
02:13:01,060 --> 02:12:59,420
2016 2 later yeah yeah yeah II D and we

2832
02:13:03,549 --> 02:13:01,070
were talking about hey how cool would it

2833
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:03,559
be and Richard says - it'd be kind of

2834
02:13:06,700 --> 02:13:05,119
cool you know I'm a little jealous that

2835
02:13:08,589 --> 02:13:06,710
you saw this last night you may be

2836
02:13:10,689 --> 02:13:08,599
really cool if we saw something well a

2837
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:10,699
half hour later the night vision arrives

2838
02:13:17,890 --> 02:13:13,599
and we walk out to the parking lot and

2839
02:13:19,930 --> 02:13:17,900
look up and you and I and of course the

2840
02:13:24,339 --> 02:13:19,940
skeptic right the debunker Berra the

2841
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:24,349
three - seizes object in the sky light

2842
02:13:30,100 --> 02:13:27,440
up in front of us and we watch this

2843
02:13:32,770 --> 02:13:30,110
thing fly across the sky we shared the

2844
02:13:35,049 --> 02:13:32,780
night vision and it was something that

2845
02:13:37,390 --> 02:13:35,059
truly was a UFO I mean you cannot

2846
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:37,400
explain what was I

2847
02:13:44,500 --> 02:13:40,010
it wasn't an aircraft no I would agree

2848
02:13:46,689 --> 02:13:44,510
with you and it wasn't so high up either

2849
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:46,699
no over like satellite it was right

2850
02:13:51,129 --> 02:13:48,650
there it was right there he was very

2851
02:13:52,359 --> 02:13:51,139
interesting and this is the thing I've

2852
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:52,369
had a couple of other night-vision

2853
02:13:57,069 --> 02:13:54,650
experiences on not many but a few and

2854
02:14:00,879 --> 02:13:57,079
when you when you look at the night sky

2855
02:14:03,220 --> 02:14:00,889
with good night vision equipment there's

2856
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:03,230
so much activity out there if the night

2857
02:14:08,169 --> 02:14:06,050
is clear there's a tremendous amount of

2858
02:14:10,750 --> 02:14:08,179
activity you've just had no idea until

2859
02:14:12,220 --> 02:14:10,760
you look at it and not all of it is

2860
02:14:15,279 --> 02:14:12,230
conventional some of these things are

2861
02:14:18,459 --> 02:14:15,289
very bizarre indeed and when we talk I

2862
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:18,469
wanted to the other aspect to all of

2863
02:14:25,060 --> 02:14:22,730
this for you when you brought four and

2864
02:14:27,939 --> 02:14:25,070
coin the term breakaway civilization and

2865
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:27,949
brought that forward that's a pretty

2866
02:14:33,220 --> 02:14:30,079
hard concept for people to wrap their

2867
02:14:36,399 --> 02:14:33,230
minds around - as well so when you

2868
02:14:38,979 --> 02:14:36,409
present something like that which is as

2869
02:14:41,750 --> 02:14:38,989
absolutely as intriguing as it can be

2870
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:41,760
and also totally possible

2871
02:14:49,820 --> 02:14:45,810
how do you how do you want people to

2872
02:14:53,060 --> 02:14:49,830
accept and try to absorb that kind of

2873
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:53,070
that kind of concept in theory yeah I

2874
02:14:58,490 --> 02:14:54,890
came up with that idea I'd been reading

2875
02:15:02,900 --> 02:14:58,500
this isn't really like overly academic

2876
02:15:05,330 --> 02:15:02,910
but I was reading the concise history by

2877
02:15:07,310 --> 02:15:05,340
Arnold Toynbee one of the greatest

2878
02:15:09,770 --> 02:15:07,320
historians who ever lived and he wrote

2879
02:15:13,070 --> 02:15:09,780
this extended thing called studying

2880
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:13,080
civilizations and I happen to have a

2881
02:15:18,140 --> 02:15:16,350
copy of a brilliantly condensed version

2882
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:18,150
of that so it's like I don't know 700

2883
02:15:22,580 --> 02:15:20,730
pages whatever and what toy me did way

2884
02:15:24,500 --> 02:15:22,590
back then was he looked at all the

2885
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:24,510
different human civilizations as he

2886
02:15:28,940 --> 02:15:26,130
understood them and defined them

2887
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:28,950
and I I mean you can one can agree or

2888
02:15:32,270 --> 02:15:30,330
not agree with him but I thought it was

2889
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:32,280
a very interesting exercise that he did

2890
02:15:35,630 --> 02:15:33,930
and it got me thinking about what is it

2891
02:15:41,530 --> 02:15:35,640
that constitutes an actual civilization

2892
02:15:45,650 --> 02:15:41,540
and I I just kept thinking well you know

2893
02:15:46,940 --> 02:15:45,660
civilizations normally in the last 500

2894
02:15:48,620 --> 02:15:46,950
years or all the various civilizations

2895
02:15:51,110 --> 02:15:48,630
of the world have been sort of combining

2896
02:15:52,760 --> 02:15:51,120
and intermingling but is it possible

2897
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:52,770
that there could be a civilization that

2898
02:15:55,700 --> 02:15:54,330
exists in the classified world that's

2899
02:15:58,520 --> 02:15:55,710
actually breaking away from all that

2900
02:16:00,200 --> 02:15:58,530
that has its own technology that is its

2901
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:00,210
own cosmology its own understanding of

2902
02:16:02,830 --> 02:16:01,110
the universe and has its own

2903
02:16:04,820 --> 02:16:02,840
interactions with these other beings

2904
02:16:06,920 --> 02:16:04,830
would that constitute a separate

2905
02:16:08,810 --> 02:16:06,930
civilization and I thought yeah probably

2906
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:08,820
in a lot of ways it would now does that

2907
02:16:13,340 --> 02:16:11,760
mean that they're all living on Mars and

2908
02:16:15,500 --> 02:16:13,350
the kind of alternative tree setting

2909
02:16:17,660 --> 02:16:15,510
that doesn't have - not at all it could

2910
02:16:18,980 --> 02:16:17,670
mean that they come home for for

2911
02:16:21,230 --> 02:16:18,990
holidays and have barbecues or they're

2912
02:16:22,670 --> 02:16:21,240
with their family and relatives it could

2913
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:22,680
mean that they're living on earth

2914
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:24,210
because maybe earth is where the action

2915
02:16:29,300 --> 02:16:27,360
is anyway maybe they have jobs in

2916
02:16:30,860 --> 02:16:29,310
underground facilities that are totally

2917
02:16:32,960 --> 02:16:30,870
off-limits and people have no idea

2918
02:16:35,510 --> 02:16:32,970
what's going on doesn't mean that they

2919
02:16:37,070 --> 02:16:35,520
have advanced technology probably but

2920
02:16:39,380 --> 02:16:37,080
how advanced that's the question I don't

2921
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,390
know the answer to you know do they have

2922
02:16:43,670 --> 02:16:41,760
advanced propulsion yes I think that

2923
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:43,680
they do do they have time-travel

2924
02:16:47,630 --> 02:16:44,850
capabilities well that's another

2925
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:47,640
question I have not found any evidence

2926
02:16:50,900 --> 02:16:48,960
to think that there's been a

2927
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:50,910
breakthrough in that but maybe it's

2928
02:16:54,740 --> 02:16:52,770
theoretically possible well when you

2929
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:54,750
know there just to say like there's a

2930
02:16:56,900 --> 02:16:55,770
breakaway civilization

2931
02:16:59,570 --> 02:16:56,910
doesn't mean that they're magical in

2932
02:17:01,581 --> 02:16:59,580
every way and this is where I've become

2933
02:17:06,081 --> 02:17:01,591
a little distressed by some of these

2934
02:17:09,560 --> 02:17:06,091
claims well the when we have the x-37b

2935
02:17:11,570 --> 02:17:09,570
right that if you want evidence of a

2936
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:11,580
secret space program that is now public

2937
02:17:16,610 --> 02:17:14,010
well there you go right there

2938
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:16,620
now how far does it go beyond that I

2939
02:17:20,390 --> 02:17:18,510
don't know is it positive we don't know

2940
02:17:22,220 --> 02:17:20,400
right I think it does go beyond that and

2941
02:17:25,430 --> 02:17:22,230
I do think that we've actually been

2942
02:17:30,201 --> 02:17:25,440
going off world so it's entirely

2943
02:17:32,121 --> 02:17:30,211
possible that there's a program a covert

2944
02:17:34,041 --> 02:17:32,131
program dealing with the Moon and Mars I

2945
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:34,051
think it's entirely possible I'll tell

2946
02:17:38,420 --> 02:17:36,240
you one story years ago over a decade

2947
02:17:40,520 --> 02:17:38,430
ago I was just kind of still a new guy

2948
02:17:43,880 --> 02:17:40,530
in this field and I was communicating

2949
02:17:45,291 --> 02:17:43,890
with one scientist who I felt was kind

2950
02:17:48,831 --> 02:17:45,301
of him to no release he seemed like he

2951
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:48,841
was and I was I remember I was testing

2952
02:17:53,720 --> 02:17:50,690
him out and I wrote an email and I

2953
02:17:56,390 --> 02:17:53,730
intentionally belittled the claims about

2954
02:17:59,121 --> 02:17:56,400
Mars this is before Andy this is Richard

2955
02:18:02,570 --> 02:17:59,131
Hoagland stuff and I wasn't actually

2956
02:18:04,670 --> 02:18:02,580
belittling all of those claims but I did

2957
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:04,680
it intentionally in this email to this

2958
02:18:10,130 --> 02:18:06,930
particular scientist and he wrote back

2959
02:18:11,060 --> 02:18:10,140
and he said I wouldn't be little at

2960
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:11,070
stuff if I were you

2961
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:13,290
there's a lot of us in the classified

2962
02:18:19,010 --> 02:18:16,080
world who were looking very carefully

2963
02:18:20,210 --> 02:18:19,020
about Mars anomalies and he didn't

2964
02:18:24,560 --> 02:18:20,220
really want to say much more than that

2965
02:18:28,630 --> 02:18:24,570
but that got my attention so I'm I'm of

2966
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:28,640
the opinion strongly I would add that

2967
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:32,010
this phenomenon it's not only real but

2968
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:35,850
it involves a clandestine infrastructure

2969
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:39,570
and that infrastructure in part is same

2970
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:43,200
space and they have no intention of

2971
02:18:48,590 --> 02:18:44,970
letting us in on this

2972
02:18:50,210 --> 02:18:48,600
they don't have insiders who want to

2973
02:18:51,741 --> 02:18:50,220
alert the public to this I do not

2974
02:18:55,161 --> 02:18:51,751
believe that they have way too much to

2975
02:18:57,291 --> 02:18:55,171
lose now if there's a disclosure of UFO

2976
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:57,301
reality I do think a secret space

2977
02:19:00,890 --> 02:18:59,040
program will be one of those messy

2978
02:19:02,270 --> 02:19:00,900
little realities that's going to come

2979
02:19:05,090 --> 02:19:02,280
out we're going to have to deal with it

2980
02:19:07,730 --> 02:19:05,100
but I personally do not believe that any

2981
02:19:08,810 --> 02:19:07,740
of those people who have any power on

2982
02:19:11,330 --> 02:19:08,820
the inside

2983
02:19:14,350 --> 02:19:11,340
are ever willingly going to give us the

2984
02:19:18,530 --> 02:19:14,360
answers whatever yeah what weight is

2985
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:18,540
what do we do with you know we have we

2986
02:19:23,660 --> 02:19:20,730
have you know we have Corey we have

2987
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:23,670
William we have solid Basquiat goes

2988
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:26,610
time-travel he's kind of on the outside

2989
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:29,370
of those concepts but then well we were

2990
02:19:33,500 --> 02:19:31,290
good and said that he went for 20 years

2991
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:33,510
to Mars and then came back and what only

2992
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:35,250
age regrets but time aggress I mean how

2993
02:19:38,050 --> 02:19:36,450
is that it really any different know

2994
02:19:41,210 --> 02:19:38,060
what I'm referring to as whistleblowers

2995
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:41,220
here and contacts on the inside and now

2996
02:19:48,050 --> 02:19:44,610
we have Tom DeLonge and the same thing

2997
02:19:52,220 --> 02:19:48,060
where the celebrity aspect and the

2998
02:19:55,791 --> 02:19:52,230
ability to have an a you know a talent

2999
02:19:58,600 --> 02:19:55,801
agency behind them and in Hollywood and

3000
02:20:01,580 --> 02:19:58,610
the music and the poll and his audience

3001
02:20:04,310 --> 02:20:01,590
we have him coming into this play too as

3002
02:20:07,400 --> 02:20:04,320
well and the we have another trust

3003
02:20:09,650 --> 02:20:07,410
factor that is that is also and it is

3004
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:09,660
well in hand case there's different

3005
02:20:14,511 --> 02:20:11,370
these DeLong who's the lead singer

3006
02:20:16,041 --> 02:20:14,521
blink-182 and there's other people that

3007
02:20:18,171 --> 02:20:16,051
can be spoken like that we could

3008
02:20:20,480 --> 02:20:18,181
interview so John Podesta is someone who

3009
02:20:22,761 --> 02:20:20,490
in theory we can approach the launch

3010
02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:22,771
communicated with Podesta about the UFO

3011
02:20:27,980 --> 02:20:25,410
subject to launch communicated with

3012
02:20:29,450 --> 02:20:27,990
William generally McCasland was the

3013
02:20:32,421 --> 02:20:29,460
former commander of the Air Force

3014
02:20:33,921 --> 02:20:32,431
Research Lab at DeLange was in touch

3015
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:33,931
with General Michael Carey of us-based

3016
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:36,090
Command and Robert Weiss it was the head

3017
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:37,530
of Lockheed skunkworks those are real

3018
02:20:44,541 --> 02:20:40,650
people and in theory we can approach

3019
02:20:45,950 --> 02:20:44,551
them and say what's the story why why

3020
02:20:49,580 --> 02:20:45,960
are you connected with Tom to launch and

3021
02:20:52,970 --> 02:20:49,590
why are you apparently stating that

3022
02:20:54,591 --> 02:20:52,980
there's et technology that's that you

3023
02:20:57,320 --> 02:20:54,601
guys are working on which is apparently

3024
02:20:59,620 --> 02:20:57,330
that's the story now there's a spin with

3025
02:21:01,881 --> 02:20:59,630
that story by the way the spin is that

3026
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:01,891
the US military are the good guys

3027
02:21:06,650 --> 02:21:04,830
the aliens are kind of scary they're

3028
02:21:09,080 --> 02:21:06,660
protecting us and the secrecy is served

3029
02:21:11,780 --> 02:21:09,090
a very good purpose we can question that

3030
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:11,790
we certainly ought to question that but

3031
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:15,650
at least in his case he's got actual

3032
02:21:21,940 --> 02:21:18,170
genuine individuals that we can

3033
02:21:25,450 --> 02:21:21,950
investigate check into question

3034
02:21:30,190 --> 02:21:25,460
have you been in touch no not with time

3035
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:30,200
to launch no we know each other but I

3036
02:21:33,880 --> 02:21:32,000
tried getting in touch with a number of

3037
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:33,890
months ago but I think he's busy he's

3038
02:21:39,130 --> 02:21:37,850
got a lot going on I mean I don't think

3039
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:39,140
he was blowing me off I think he was

3040
02:21:44,440 --> 02:21:41,840
just very busy yeah I'll talk to you

3041
02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:44,450
later about that anyway a richer man

3042
02:21:50,770 --> 02:21:47,330
thank you so much and when is the bleep

3043
02:21:52,330 --> 02:21:50,780
in book coming out well as long as I'm

3044
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:52,340
not being asked to contribute to

3045
02:21:57,550 --> 02:21:54,800
Wikipedia sites and the life and other

3046
02:21:59,679 --> 02:21:57,560
products which I'm I'm always being

3047
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:59,689
asked to do things and it's hard and

3048
02:22:02,440 --> 02:22:01,040
right now I'm doing a renovation of my

3049
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:02,450
house how about that so I was hanging

3050
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:07,520
drywall today but I have written several

3051
02:22:12,100 --> 02:22:09,380
hundred pages of my false-flag book and

3052
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:12,110
I would like to have it done this year

3053
02:22:16,390 --> 02:22:14,660
it may be a little later but it won't be

3054
02:22:18,310 --> 02:22:16,400
long I want this book done and working

3055
02:22:23,740 --> 02:22:18,320
on it anything else going on have you

3056
02:22:25,630 --> 02:22:23,750
signed any new authors no I'm uh

3057
02:22:27,250 --> 02:22:25,640
I was talking with my cleland author of

3058
02:22:29,170 --> 02:22:27,260
the messengers and he is going to be

3059
02:22:34,030 --> 02:22:29,180
coming out with a sequel to that really

3060
02:22:36,340 --> 02:22:34,040
excellent powerful book I have to say

3061
02:22:38,530 --> 02:22:36,350
say Collins book messengers is one of

3062
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:38,540
the best books in the UFO field in the

3063
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,120
21st century absolutely a great book

3064
02:22:45,250 --> 02:22:43,520
it's a page-turner and it's one of those

3065
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:45,260
few books that you read that really will

3066
02:22:49,630 --> 02:22:47,810
cause you to question the very structure

3067
02:22:51,850 --> 02:22:49,640
of what you think reality is and no

3068
02:22:53,860 --> 02:22:51,860
matter how experienced one thinks when

3069
02:22:55,810 --> 02:22:53,870
is in this field that that book is a

3070
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:55,820
unique one well he's coming out with a

3071
02:22:58,570 --> 02:22:57,050
sequel to that and I think that will be

3072
02:23:00,760 --> 02:22:58,580
a couple of months I will probably put

3073
02:23:02,500 --> 02:23:00,770
out a little booklet on UFOs in the

3074
02:23:04,690 --> 02:23:02,510
media I'm doing an analysis of

3075
02:23:06,850 --> 02:23:04,700
mainstream media coverage of UFO

3076
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:06,860
phenomenon like 80 90 pages I'm just

3077
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:08,479
going to put that out there I think

3078
02:23:11,980 --> 02:23:10,010
it'll be useful but I'm still working on

3079
02:23:13,719 --> 02:23:11,990
my ball slide book thank you so much

3080
02:23:16,540 --> 02:23:13,729
Richard for doing everything that you do

3081
02:23:20,830 --> 02:23:16,550
you know this and every chance that I

3082
02:23:25,570 --> 02:23:20,840
get I say I say it often both directly

3083
02:23:27,130 --> 02:23:25,580
and to the audience your your voice and

3084
02:23:27,730 --> 02:23:27,140
the way that you represent this

3085
02:23:31,300 --> 02:23:27,740
community

3086
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:31,310
you just make us proud and don't screw

3087
02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:34,970
it up okay thank you I I feel like the

3088
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:35,680
luckiest guy

3089
02:23:39,809 --> 02:23:37,810
no because I do what I love and this

3090
02:23:43,530 --> 02:23:39,819
field can make me crazy at times it's a

3091
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:43,540
lot of stress at times but honestly I

3092
02:23:48,300 --> 02:23:44,890
would not want to do anything else I

3093
02:23:50,340 --> 02:23:48,310
love what I do the people that I've met

3094
02:23:52,740 --> 02:23:50,350
along the way it's the most fascinating

3095
02:23:54,750 --> 02:23:52,750
journey I could imagine and I intend

3096
02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,760
never to lean it thank you so much my

3097
02:23:57,840 --> 02:23:57,040
friend have a great safe rest of your

3098
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:57,850
evening

3099
02:24:03,450 --> 02:23:59,680
inky Jimmy he's a pleasure thank you

3100
02:24:05,580 --> 02:24:03,460
Richard Richard bleepin Dolan and that

3101
02:24:08,189 --> 02:24:05,590
was the conversation that I expected

3102
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:08,199
thank you so much Richard and I did not

3103
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:11,290
mean to ambush Richard but the point is

3104
02:24:17,340 --> 02:24:15,040
he will always come on this show and and

3105
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:17,350
be open and frank and tell it like it is

3106
02:24:21,479 --> 02:24:19,930
and that's why we love Richard bleep and

3107
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:21,489
Dolan this is paid to black and the

3108
02:24:27,310 --> 02:24:24,399
game-changer network K GRA the planet

3109
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3110
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3192
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3194
02:29:21,051 --> 02:29:18,650
fade to black thank you Richard Dolan I

3195
02:29:24,671 --> 02:29:21,061
just posted up in the chatroom Richard

3196
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:33,171
love that guy I mean I have over the

3197
02:29:39,560 --> 02:29:37,290
years I've managed to introduce Richard

3198
02:29:43,310 --> 02:29:39,570
at all the conferences that we do

3199
02:29:48,110 --> 02:29:43,320
together and the one thing that I bring

3200
02:29:50,270 --> 02:29:48,120
up to the audience there is his ten

3201
02:29:55,091 --> 02:29:50,280
minute speech that he did at the

3202
02:30:01,940 --> 02:29:55,101
citizens hearing and that ten minutes of

3203
02:30:04,131 --> 02:30:01,950
YouTube is extraordinary and the if you

3204
02:30:06,470 --> 02:30:04,141
haven't seen it if you haven't seen that

3205
02:30:10,251 --> 02:30:06,480
that that ten main ten minute

3206
02:30:13,970 --> 02:30:10,261
presentation that he does you need to go

3207
02:30:19,070 --> 02:30:13,980
and watch it because that statement that

3208
02:30:22,011 --> 02:30:19,080
ten minute monologue of Richard's says

3209
02:30:27,740 --> 02:30:22,021
it's so perfectly well for what is going

3210
02:30:32,690 --> 02:30:27,750
on in ufology and the the UFO phenomenon

3211
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:32,700
and he represents us and so when others

3212
02:30:37,131 --> 02:30:35,040
out there outside of the UFO community

3213
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:37,141
that have heard about disclosure or

3214
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:39,330
they've heard you know and they you know

3215
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:41,280
they go and do a quick search and and

3216
02:30:49,341 --> 02:30:44,960
that video pops up that's what they see

3217
02:30:52,491 --> 02:30:49,351
you know they see that and and he wept

3218
02:30:56,051 --> 02:30:52,501
presents us and I'm just so so proud and

3219
02:30:58,970 --> 02:30:56,061
that that we have him speaking for us

3220
02:31:00,711 --> 02:30:58,980
with the voice of reason and I really

3221
02:31:02,001 --> 02:31:00,721
really mean that I'm not throwing them

3222
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:02,011
under the bus with that so many times

3223
02:31:06,770 --> 02:31:03,690
and I've embarrassed him so many times

3224
02:31:09,890 --> 02:31:06,780
with that but he has got that feather in

3225
02:31:13,281 --> 02:31:09,900
his cap and and and I thank him for that

3226
02:31:17,001 --> 02:31:13,291
and we have we've had a lot of

3227
02:31:20,270 --> 02:31:17,011
conversations of that that have been

3228
02:31:23,390 --> 02:31:20,280
very very open and I know that he had

3229
02:31:27,291 --> 02:31:23,400
the level of comfort for him when he

3230
02:31:29,841 --> 02:31:27,301
comes on the show that he knows that he

3231
02:31:32,031 --> 02:31:29,851
can let it all hang out and and this is

3232
02:31:33,801 --> 02:31:32,041
the forum for that so I want to thank

3233
02:31:36,310 --> 02:31:33,811
Richard just another amazing

3234
02:31:38,360 --> 02:31:36,320
conversation all right I've got some

3235
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:38,370
news here that you know absolutely

3236
02:31:43,640 --> 02:31:41,280
nothing about I've got phone calls lined

3237
02:31:44,900 --> 02:31:43,650
up on both phone lines so I guess I'll

3238
02:31:46,791 --> 02:31:44,910
open up the phones

3239
02:31:49,911 --> 02:31:46,801
three two three eight to five five zero

3240
02:31:54,110 --> 02:31:49,921
four five or three to three to seven

3241
02:31:55,430 --> 02:31:54,120
five nine six nine five and let's go to

3242
02:31:58,430 --> 02:31:55,440
the phones hi you're live on paid to

3243
02:32:00,440 --> 02:31:58,440
block who's calling this bill over

3244
02:32:03,741 --> 02:32:00,450
northern Missouri hey Bill in northern

3245
02:32:07,341 --> 02:32:03,751
Missouri how are you great how you that

3246
02:32:09,921 --> 02:32:07,351
I'm doing good what's on your mind is

3247
02:32:11,301 --> 02:32:09,931
Richard John is he yeah laughter yeah

3248
02:32:13,821 --> 02:32:11,311
he's gone he's in New York

3249
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:13,831
here's a question I have the honor what

3250
02:32:20,001 --> 02:32:16,650
you gathered from considering the secret

3251
02:32:25,461 --> 02:32:20,011
space program okay we seem to have a

3252
02:32:28,341 --> 02:32:25,471
global thing you're not were the kind of

3253
02:32:29,501 --> 02:32:28,351
establish a collective across the whole

3254
02:32:33,730 --> 02:32:29,511
planet

3255
02:32:37,341 --> 02:32:33,740
are we being enslaved or what you know

3256
02:32:39,921 --> 02:32:37,351
what I'm saying and why are we shut out

3257
02:32:43,461 --> 02:32:39,931
from the knowledge of what's going on do

3258
02:32:45,801 --> 02:32:43,471
you what's your take on it that yeah

3259
02:32:49,341 --> 02:32:45,811
my question is amad that's it that's a

3260
02:32:51,921 --> 02:32:49,351
great question see the the part of the

3261
02:32:57,071 --> 02:32:51,931
darkness or a large part of the darkness

3262
02:33:00,741 --> 02:32:57,081
is we have trillions and trillions of

3263
02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:00,751
missing black budget dollars that have

3264
02:33:07,430 --> 02:33:03,330
disappeared where is

3265
02:33:12,020 --> 02:33:07,440
it being spent if you look at Bill if

3266
02:33:16,190 --> 02:33:12,030
you look at the hardcore budgets that

3267
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:16,200
were on say things like the space

3268
02:33:21,530 --> 02:33:18,000
shuttle program or you look at Apollo

3269
02:33:27,440 --> 02:33:21,540
and you look at the budgets of the ISS

3270
02:33:30,350 --> 02:33:27,450
those are the small in infant Isabel

3271
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:30,360
dollars compared to the missing money

3272
02:33:37,011 --> 02:33:33,570
that is out there so how extensive is

3273
02:33:39,770 --> 02:33:37,021
this program not only not only out there

3274
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:39,780
but quite possibly what is being spent

3275
02:33:45,620 --> 02:33:42,930
on underground facilities and bases that

3276
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:45,630
we just don't see that are being

3277
02:33:51,230 --> 02:33:48,570
constructed well I I don't know and so

3278
02:33:53,301 --> 02:33:51,240
they build that what I think the large

3279
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:53,311
part of the secrecy is then they have to

3280
02:33:58,220 --> 02:33:56,010
turn around and answer for that and they

3281
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,230
have to tell us what is really going on

3282
02:34:04,460 --> 02:34:00,720
and where the money is being spent that

3283
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:04,470
that is the big part of the secrecy yeah

3284
02:34:11,210 --> 02:34:06,630
apparently they have no intention of

3285
02:34:13,790 --> 02:34:11,220
telling us so that makes us they have

3286
02:34:16,970 --> 02:34:13,800
been trained us to pay for all of their

3287
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:16,980
extravagant claims you know yeah and we

3288
02:34:25,011 --> 02:34:19,530
were shut out or shut out from the Star

3289
02:34:27,470 --> 02:34:25,021
Trek life yes yes we are like I can have

3290
02:34:30,140 --> 02:34:27,480
it you know well this all suck I know

3291
02:34:32,270 --> 02:34:30,150
right and and also and Bill thank you

3292
02:34:35,690 --> 02:34:32,280
for the phone call a great question and

3293
02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:35,700
the other part about that is we would

3294
02:34:40,670 --> 02:34:37,290
start to question the way that things

3295
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:40,680
were budgeted and and where money is

3296
02:34:45,980 --> 02:34:42,650
spent where we could have spent it on

3297
02:34:48,740 --> 02:34:45,990
programs you know not only worldwide but

3298
02:34:51,410 --> 02:34:48,750
here in the United States certainly we

3299
02:34:53,090 --> 02:34:51,420
have issues with with poverty and with

3300
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:53,100
food and with infrastructure in the

3301
02:35:00,470 --> 02:34:56,970
educational system and and our veterans

3302
02:35:02,511 --> 02:35:00,480
and health care and the list goes on and

3303
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:02,521
on and on and on that could be fixed

3304
02:35:07,940 --> 02:35:05,370
with almost everything with just like

3305
02:35:10,130 --> 02:35:07,950
one trillion of those dollars that is

3306
02:35:12,620 --> 02:35:10,140
completely missing and we just don't

3307
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:12,630
know what it has been spent on no

3308
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:13,530
question about that

3309
02:35:17,870 --> 02:35:15,630
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

3310
02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:17,880
fade to black who's calling

3311
02:35:25,950 --> 02:35:22,120
Scot Richards oh hey Scott roll up your

3312
02:35:29,100 --> 02:35:25,960
window I'm in a truck heading home baby

3313
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:29,110
okay would you hear me yeah I got to

3314
02:35:33,540 --> 02:35:30,850
what what do you think of the show

3315
02:35:34,890 --> 02:35:33,550
tonight what's your question well my

3316
02:35:37,710 --> 02:35:34,900
question is very simple

3317
02:35:39,719 --> 02:35:37,720
I talked to us before and not get what

3318
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:39,729
you're doing we talked about Corey good

3319
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:43,330
and I was on your you're texting they're

3320
02:35:48,270 --> 02:35:45,370
going on with your show wait what the

3321
02:35:54,810 --> 02:35:48,280
hell's really going on here Jay with

3322
02:35:56,940 --> 02:35:54,820
what side of it well you get visaji oh

3323
02:35:58,320 --> 02:35:56,950
and you get koi good talking about these

3324
02:36:00,660 --> 02:35:58,330
secret space programs and what you're

3325
02:36:02,850 --> 02:36:00,670
doin is on the oxygen of it and he

3326
02:36:04,170 --> 02:36:02,860
doesn't really know what to believe in

3327
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:04,180
if he's not sure if they're really

3328
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:05,680
telling the truth are they tell the

3329
02:36:10,980 --> 02:36:07,210
truth are they not telling the truth

3330
02:36:13,740 --> 02:36:10,990
well Richards take with anything Richard

3331
02:36:16,590 --> 02:36:13,750
is pragmatic Richard is black and white

3332
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:16,600
Richard is about evidence and and

3333
02:36:24,540 --> 02:36:22,000
backing up yourself and if you are going

3334
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:24,550
to call yourself a whistleblower and

3335
02:36:29,580 --> 02:36:26,890
this is Richard's take and it is the

3336
02:36:31,230 --> 02:36:29,590
real one that is if you're going to come

3337
02:36:34,100 --> 02:36:31,240
forward whether you're whistleblowing

3338
02:36:36,780 --> 02:36:34,110
with the IRS or your whistleblowing with

3339
02:36:39,540 --> 02:36:36,790
the secret space program or your

3340
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:39,550
whistleblowing like Edward Snowden you

3341
02:36:47,160 --> 02:36:43,120
disclose your background everything

3342
02:36:51,300 --> 02:36:47,170
about you and and that is his main thing

3343
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:51,310
so he feels that it is Corey Julia are

3344
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:53,680
they really acknowledging their

3345
02:36:59,070 --> 02:36:55,840
background well that's got to be the

3346
02:37:00,330 --> 02:36:59,080
next step with Corey right and that's

3347
02:37:02,040 --> 02:37:00,340
that's the truth

3348
02:37:05,100 --> 02:37:02,050
I've spoken to Corey about this he knows

3349
02:37:09,420 --> 02:37:05,110
what's going on and and he knows what

3350
02:37:11,310 --> 02:37:09,430
those expectations are and and so is

3351
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:11,320
that is that part of his future

3352
02:37:16,310 --> 02:37:13,930
you know what Corey Corey listens to

3353
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:16,320
everything he knows what's going on and

3354
02:37:23,219 --> 02:37:19,590
you know it's up to Cory but certainly

3355
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:23,229
for a more broader acceptance into the

3356
02:37:28,260 --> 02:37:25,210
UFO community for those

3357
02:37:29,460 --> 02:37:28,270
pragmatic people out there you are going

3358
02:37:32,969 --> 02:37:29,470
to have to bring that stuff forward

3359
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:32,979
eventually you have to well he seems to

3360
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:36,160
be very calm in his reserve which which

3361
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:37,840
he doesn't get rattled too easy right

3362
02:37:43,500 --> 02:37:41,680
and it's really kind of mean I asked the

3363
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:43,510
questions earlier and I didn't get an

3364
02:37:48,390 --> 02:37:45,040
answer obviously because you're so busy

3365
02:37:50,340 --> 02:37:48,400
on the show was Eisenhower the girl you

3366
02:37:52,380 --> 02:37:50,350
spoke to last night was she in that jump

3367
02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:52,390
rope thing with the gentleman that I

3368
02:37:59,100 --> 02:37:56,080
know no no no no I believe I've talked

3369
02:38:02,130 --> 02:37:59,110
to Laura about this it's been a while

3370
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:02,140
but I think she was asked she was

3371
02:38:07,380 --> 02:38:03,850
approached but no I don't think she ever

3372
02:38:12,900 --> 02:38:07,390
did is that jump boom real in your

3373
02:38:14,910 --> 02:38:12,910
opinion uh andrew has told me where the

3374
02:38:18,030 --> 02:38:14,920
building used to be I mean I know that

3375
02:38:20,390 --> 02:38:18,040
area really well I've gone I've talked

3376
02:38:23,370 --> 02:38:20,400
to Andrew about the valley and different

3377
02:38:27,330 --> 02:38:23,380
locations out here and he he really

3378
02:38:29,219 --> 02:38:27,340
knows his stuff but the building I don't

3379
02:38:33,870 --> 02:38:29,229
believe that building is there anymore

3380
02:38:36,120 --> 02:38:33,880
down on century Boulevard near LAX so

3381
02:38:39,360 --> 02:38:36,130
has Richard Richard don't ever been

3382
02:38:41,430 --> 02:38:39,370
presented that question in his in you

3383
02:38:44,219 --> 02:38:41,440
know without an opinion on it well again

3384
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:44,229
I think Richards been very clear about

3385
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:45,010
that

3386
02:38:51,090 --> 02:38:48,160
I mean I've interviewed Andrew a lot and

3387
02:38:56,660 --> 02:38:51,100
I've sat with Andrew a lot a lot

3388
02:39:00,050 --> 02:38:56,670
privately right and I find him to be a

3389
02:39:03,810 --> 02:39:00,060
great personality he's fun he's cool

3390
02:39:05,960 --> 02:39:03,820
he's very very smart

3391
02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:05,970
I mean he's smart on another level and

3392
02:39:13,170 --> 02:39:11,650
and you know it's it's it's tough but

3393
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:13,180
when it comes when it comes to things

3394
02:39:19,080 --> 02:39:16,000
like where we're going to the very

3395
02:39:24,750 --> 02:39:19,090
fringes of acceptance like time travel

3396
02:39:26,910 --> 02:39:24,760
or jump rooms or going to these claims

3397
02:39:29,850 --> 02:39:26,920
about Mars you know it's not just

3398
02:39:31,980 --> 02:39:29,860
limited to quarry and an Andrew basiago

3399
02:39:34,440 --> 02:39:31,990
these things have been stated over the

3400
02:39:36,660 --> 02:39:34,450
years by many different people and it's

3401
02:39:38,251 --> 02:39:36,670
it's extraordinary claims require

3402
02:39:41,100 --> 02:39:38,261
extraordinary

3403
02:39:43,441 --> 02:39:41,110
proof and that's really it's a tough

3404
02:39:45,451 --> 02:39:43,451
thing when you can't provide that you

3405
02:39:48,901 --> 02:39:45,461
know and I know what everybody wants I

3406
02:39:51,930 --> 02:39:48,911
want it you know I've said yeah I said

3407
02:39:53,911 --> 02:39:51,940
to Korres and lifted the glass pad man

3408
02:39:56,520 --> 02:39:53,921
okay can you bring one of those back

3409
02:39:59,191 --> 02:39:56,530
with you can you take a picture can you

3410
02:40:01,621 --> 02:39:59,201
shoot a cell phone video you know can

3411
02:40:03,451 --> 02:40:01,631
you do you know like I asked all these

3412
02:40:04,981 --> 02:40:03,461
things and of course you know that would

3413
02:40:06,781 --> 02:40:04,991
be the game changer for everybody

3414
02:40:09,631 --> 02:40:06,791
wouldn't it so who knows what the

3415
02:40:11,551 --> 02:40:09,641
features so he can't bring that back

3416
02:40:13,861 --> 02:40:11,561
he's not allowed to bring that side I

3417
02:40:15,301 --> 02:40:13,871
think what you should do before I take

3418
02:40:18,091 --> 02:40:15,311
up a bunch of time here at the end of

3419
02:40:21,331 --> 02:40:18,101
the show Scott is just go back and

3420
02:40:22,651 --> 02:40:21,341
listen to some of the other interviews

3421
02:40:24,211 --> 02:40:22,661
but I'm going to have Corey on the show

3422
02:40:24,781 --> 02:40:24,221
tomorrow night I'll hit him with it

3423
02:40:27,241 --> 02:40:24,791
tomorrow

3424
02:40:28,171 --> 02:40:27,251
all right yeah that would be really

3425
02:40:30,661 --> 02:40:28,181
great by the way

3426
02:40:32,371 --> 02:40:30,671
Jimmy this is Scotty from Hollywood from

3427
02:40:34,441 --> 02:40:32,381
uh st. Valentine now pick up that guitar

3428
02:40:37,201 --> 02:40:34,451
play baby I'll talk to you thank you so

3429
02:40:39,781 --> 02:40:37,211
much I can't stop myself I'll talk to

3430
02:40:41,701 --> 02:40:39,791
you right back at you great phone call

3431
02:40:44,821 --> 02:40:41,711
Scott thank you so much hi you're live

3432
02:40:46,350 --> 02:40:44,831
on fade to black who's calling hey Jerry

3433
02:40:49,911 --> 02:40:46,360
this is Captain Hollister

3434
02:40:54,481 --> 02:40:49,921
hey captain how are you all right listen

3435
02:40:58,441 --> 02:40:54,491
boy I'll tell you uh you had going on

3436
02:41:01,981 --> 02:40:58,451
tonight and I really want to challenge

3437
02:41:03,810 --> 02:41:01,991
the guy because I think they did not

3438
02:41:05,821 --> 02:41:03,820
know what he's talking about

3439
02:41:07,981 --> 02:41:05,831
I think you know my background and I

3440
02:41:11,251 --> 02:41:07,991
told you and I mentioned to you

3441
02:41:15,541 --> 02:41:11,261
practical time ago about that junk room

3442
02:41:17,941 --> 02:41:15,551
and about Andrew and former President

3443
02:41:21,331 --> 02:41:17,951
Barack Obama and you know the story

3444
02:41:26,961 --> 02:41:21,341
behind that and I said I said from the

3445
02:41:33,001 --> 02:41:29,551
wouldn't say I know their background

3446
02:41:36,451 --> 02:41:33,011
quite well because because of what I

3447
02:41:42,441 --> 02:41:36,461
would do and at same time I got to say

3448
02:41:48,140 --> 02:41:42,451
this Mars is just like Sedona Arizona

3449
02:41:51,809 --> 02:41:48,150
very red rustic area Oh blue skies cow

3450
02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:51,819
Mars is just like the dawn Arizona

3451
02:41:58,290 --> 02:41:54,489
you feel like you you on earth but

3452
02:42:01,260 --> 02:41:58,300
you're not that generally very rude on

3453
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:01,270
my friend well captain and and thank you

3454
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:03,600
for the phone call and it doesn't my

3455
02:42:09,899 --> 02:42:07,359
look we have to have everybody on this

3456
02:42:12,590 --> 02:42:09,909
show that includes dolan that includes

3457
02:42:17,369 --> 02:42:12,600
corey good and everybody else and

3458
02:42:21,389 --> 02:42:17,379
yourself because we need to gather here

3459
02:42:26,069 --> 02:42:21,399
and talk right and and that's it your

3460
02:42:29,849 --> 02:42:26,079
your experience your comments your input

3461
02:42:32,699 --> 02:42:29,859
on this show is invaluable captain you

3462
02:42:34,949 --> 02:42:32,709
know and and if you thought for a second

3463
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:34,959
that I was going to break your phone

3464
02:42:39,809 --> 02:42:37,600
call and and make fun of you you would

3465
02:42:42,269 --> 02:42:39,819
never call in and then your information

3466
02:42:43,979 --> 02:42:42,279
is not put on the table and that's not

3467
02:42:47,069 --> 02:42:43,989
what this show is about and you know

3468
02:42:49,889 --> 02:42:47,079
that right so that's it you know

3469
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:49,899
everybody everybody is allowed to gather

3470
02:42:57,359 --> 02:42:53,680
here and talk all right absolutely and I

3471
02:43:01,889 --> 02:42:57,369
think and I think that people are going

3472
02:43:04,649 --> 02:43:01,899
to be very very shocked when former

3473
02:43:07,170 --> 02:43:04,659
President Barack Obama make his

3474
02:43:10,859 --> 02:43:07,180
announcement about who he is but I think

3475
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:10,869
I listened to you before and I said to a

3476
02:43:17,880 --> 02:43:15,010
lot of folks do not be surprised about

3477
02:43:22,349 --> 02:43:17,890
this particular individual as well as

3478
02:43:25,969 --> 02:43:22,359
Andrew so those two individuals or in a

3479
02:43:31,409 --> 02:43:25,979
class together quite some time ago and

3480
02:43:34,170 --> 02:43:31,419
as you well know I'm in my 60s and I'm

3481
02:43:37,019 --> 02:43:34,180
not I'm up I want to say major Andrew

3482
02:43:40,439 --> 02:43:37,029
and Barack Obama and I gotta tell you

3483
02:43:43,139 --> 02:43:40,449
there's a lot of similarities what is it

3484
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:43,149
with you at what I would do and I gotta

3485
02:43:50,340 --> 02:43:47,289
say this I would love to have a doubling

3486
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:50,350
back on and I would love the calling and

3487
02:43:55,170 --> 02:43:52,720
contest contestant some of the things

3488
02:43:55,889 --> 02:43:55,180
you saying because you're all are you

3489
02:43:58,979 --> 02:43:55,899
talking about

3490
02:44:01,079 --> 02:43:58,989
Thank You captain and and always

3491
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:01,089
remember man everybody's got a free shot

3492
02:44:05,820 --> 02:44:03,010
you know too

3493
02:44:08,580 --> 02:44:05,830
to have freedom of thought here just

3494
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:08,590
like you thank you so much my friend all

3495
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:09,520
right thank you sir

3496
02:44:14,610 --> 02:44:12,640
you got it Thank You captain eyelets Wow

3497
02:44:16,260 --> 02:44:14,620
okay let's let's just stay on the phone

3498
02:44:19,080 --> 02:44:16,270
so how your life I'm fade to black who's

3499
02:44:20,370 --> 02:44:19,090
calling hey good evening this is Kenny

3500
02:44:23,400 --> 02:44:20,380
hey Kenny

3501
02:44:30,870 --> 02:44:27,570
well I was coming from San Diego okay

3502
02:44:33,150 --> 02:44:30,880
what's on your mind well I had a couple

3503
02:44:35,790 --> 02:44:33,160
questions first of all I won the shirt

3504
02:44:37,410 --> 02:44:35,800
last week on Twitter on grants awesome

3505
02:44:39,150 --> 02:44:37,420
episode but I haven't got an email back

3506
02:44:40,620 --> 02:44:39,160
from you guys yet so that's great I'll

3507
02:44:42,450 --> 02:44:40,630
let you know it was means that you would

3508
02:44:45,630 --> 02:44:42,460
know to check that you know okay

3509
02:44:48,990 --> 02:44:45,640
I'm sure it's I'm sure it's been shipped

3510
02:44:51,150 --> 02:44:49,000
oh no I haven't even got a hold of

3511
02:44:52,830 --> 02:44:51,160
anybody yet well yeah but we have a

3512
02:44:54,679 --> 02:44:52,840
shipping department that handles all of

3513
02:44:58,170 --> 02:44:54,689
that I don't I don't see that stuff but

3514
02:45:01,139 --> 02:44:58,180
uh yeah I just had a quick question uh

3515
02:45:04,200 --> 02:45:01,149
should I move on the requests everybody

3516
02:45:05,820 --> 02:45:04,210
to make a report for their sightings you

3517
02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:05,830
feel like that could be a little bit of

3518
02:45:12,570 --> 02:45:08,770
a like 1-800 as my driving kind of thing

3519
02:45:15,510 --> 02:45:12,580
so if we saw sighting they didn't want

3520
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:15,520
us to see it why should we report it so

3521
02:45:20,010 --> 02:45:17,200
they can know they made a mistake and

3522
02:45:24,300 --> 02:45:20,020
they can cooperate that well I think I

3523
02:45:28,830 --> 02:45:24,310
have a first off with MUFON everything

3524
02:45:31,500 --> 02:45:28,840
is anonymous so they time and day is not

3525
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:31,510
well yeah but they wouldn't know who you

3526
02:45:36,120 --> 02:45:33,010
are if you don't want them to know who

3527
02:45:38,130 --> 02:45:36,130
you are right yeah I understand that but

3528
02:45:39,719 --> 02:45:38,140
if you send something over San Diego and

3529
02:45:42,090 --> 02:45:39,729
then you didn't mean for it to be seen

3530
02:45:44,340 --> 02:45:42,100
and then people started reporting it now

3531
02:45:47,309 --> 02:45:44,350
whatever agency doesn't want you to know

3532
02:45:49,410 --> 02:45:47,319
that now they can lock that down well

3533
02:45:51,690 --> 02:45:49,420
that's all we have that's all that's

3534
02:45:53,010 --> 02:45:51,700
always the paradox though Kenny that's

3535
02:45:55,860 --> 02:45:53,020
exactly right

3536
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,870
I mean seriously and when we have and

3537
02:45:59,250 --> 02:45:57,279
thank you for the phone call my friend

3538
02:46:02,309 --> 02:45:59,260
and take a picture when you get the

3539
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:02,319
t-shirt okay and post it Thanks all

3540
02:46:08,120 --> 02:46:04,000
right man thank you so much that's it

3541
02:46:13,620 --> 02:46:08,130
you know when we have things like the

3542
02:46:16,380 --> 02:46:13,630
black triangles being cited right and if

3543
02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:16,390
those were probably the majority of

3544
02:46:21,330 --> 02:46:19,000
those are military aircraft somebody's

3545
02:46:25,530 --> 02:46:21,340
getting busted I think I've always

3546
02:46:28,710 --> 02:46:25,540
wondered about that and they can see who

3547
02:46:30,540 --> 02:46:28,720
is seeing what and and possibly who is

3548
02:46:31,860 --> 02:46:30,550
making mistakes let's go back to the

3549
02:46:36,059 --> 02:46:31,870
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3550
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:36,069
who's calling hey Jimmy is Josh hey Josh

3551
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:39,279
how are you hey yes hey doing good man

3552
02:46:45,149 --> 02:46:41,770
I was calling I'm hey man you know I'm a

3553
02:46:51,510 --> 02:46:45,159
nobody man I live in Texas and I listen

3554
02:46:55,920 --> 02:46:51,520
to the conference and uh it was pretty

3555
02:46:59,300 --> 02:46:55,930
interesting you know I'm I'm kind of

3556
02:47:02,990 --> 02:46:59,310
like this with Andrew besides Joe

3557
02:47:08,340 --> 02:47:03,000
non-attorneys name up don't think you

3558
02:47:15,389 --> 02:47:08,350
cause Barack Obama Barack Obama calling

3559
02:47:18,719 --> 02:47:15,399
Barry cetera right and so you know there

3560
02:47:20,510 --> 02:47:18,729
was a deal with another person that was

3561
02:47:24,330 --> 02:47:20,520
about a year ago that's radio

3562
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:24,340
personality that found went to the

3563
02:47:31,649 --> 02:47:27,760
building and Amy said that the jump

3564
02:47:34,260 --> 02:47:31,659
rooms act and they asked some people

3565
02:47:36,420 --> 02:47:34,270
about heap totalement floor was on and

3566
02:47:38,729 --> 02:47:36,430
certain people came out like on smoke

3567
02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:38,739
break and they like no don't know

3568
02:47:42,990 --> 02:47:40,210
nothing about it you know and there's

3569
02:47:44,820 --> 02:47:43,000
like there's normal people but you know

3570
02:47:47,160 --> 02:47:44,830
they don't mean anything

3571
02:47:48,540 --> 02:47:47,170
you go adventurer he said you came down

3572
02:47:54,420 --> 02:47:48,550
the basement and there's a cafeteria

3573
02:47:57,920 --> 02:47:54,430
lady see CIA so who knows but I hold up

3574
02:48:01,620 --> 02:47:57,930
to what Dolan said you know like they

3575
02:48:04,320 --> 02:48:01,630
there's really not any proof and this is

3576
02:48:07,679 --> 02:48:04,330
kind of the issue so weird and they

3577
02:48:10,139 --> 02:48:07,689
didn't bring in DeLong on this too you

3578
02:48:12,599 --> 02:48:10,149
know I mean there's proofs like that I

3579
02:48:15,149 --> 02:48:12,609
heard that he's getting letters from you

3580
02:48:20,269 --> 02:48:15,159
know wright-patterson generals and stuff

3581
02:48:23,519 --> 02:48:20,279
like that and then you see the freely

3582
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:23,529
Freemason symbols on his video on a

3583
02:48:30,179 --> 02:48:27,520
guitar and amp and stuff like that you

3584
02:48:36,510 --> 02:48:30,189
know that I don't know that helps

3585
02:48:39,300 --> 02:48:36,520
it doesn't really with me you know yeah

3586
02:48:42,120 --> 02:48:39,310
I hear you know really I hear getting

3587
02:48:45,540 --> 02:48:42,130
real thick well it is real bacon

3588
02:48:47,389 --> 02:48:45,550
yeah but Josh Josh and and and you know

3589
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:47,399
me and you know how I deal with things

3590
02:48:55,560 --> 02:48:51,850
the only way to to get through all of

3591
02:48:58,350 --> 02:48:55,570
this is to continue to listen oh you

3592
02:49:00,179 --> 02:48:58,360
know this community yeah Josh and thank

3593
02:49:03,690 --> 02:49:00,189
you for the phone call my friend and and

3594
02:49:06,600 --> 02:49:03,700
and it brings up a really really great

3595
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:06,610
point and which is which is this we

3596
02:49:19,560 --> 02:49:15,690
stop stop listening we have to we just

3597
02:49:22,110 --> 02:49:19,570
have to listen you know and I I don't

3598
02:49:26,370 --> 02:49:22,120
know how else to present it to everybody

3599
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:26,380
I think seriously just listen listen

3600
02:49:28,710 --> 02:49:28,090
listen listen learn learn learn learn

3601
02:49:32,010 --> 02:49:28,720
learn

3602
02:49:34,500 --> 02:49:32,020
I remember I was given this advice when

3603
02:49:37,260 --> 02:49:34,510
I was a kid and that advice is this

3604
02:49:41,340 --> 02:49:37,270
there are too many stalkers out there

3605
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:41,350
and not enough listeners you need to

3606
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:44,050
listen and that's really the truth the

3607
02:49:47,730 --> 02:49:46,210
people that are dangerous the people

3608
02:49:49,800 --> 02:49:47,740
that are really dangerous are the ones

3609
02:49:53,700 --> 02:49:49,810
that never opened their mouths they just

3610
02:49:55,889 --> 02:49:53,710
sit and absorb and are a sponge never

3611
02:49:57,240 --> 02:49:55,899
ever lose sight of that let's stay on

3612
02:50:00,960 --> 02:49:57,250
the phones hi you're live on fade to

3613
02:50:03,240 --> 02:50:00,970
black who's calling hey it's tennis loan

3614
02:50:06,840 --> 02:50:03,250
from Georgia hey tanner Sloane from

3615
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:06,850
Georgia what are you doing man I'm doing

3616
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:08,560
great thank you for taking my call

3617
02:50:13,320 --> 02:50:12,370
Absalom just a quick question I've been

3618
02:50:18,210 --> 02:50:13,330
very much

3619
02:50:22,170 --> 02:50:18,220
I guess obsessed with them with Graham

3620
02:50:26,270 --> 02:50:22,180
Hancock lately and just a change of

3621
02:50:30,510 --> 02:50:26,280
subject he seems to be an advocate of

3622
02:50:35,130 --> 02:50:30,520
evolution and to me like a very

3623
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:35,140
brilliant person as he is if he's even

3624
02:50:40,469 --> 02:50:38,530
heard of Lloyd Pye he should not be

3625
02:50:41,761 --> 02:50:40,479
advocating evolution so what are your

3626
02:50:44,730 --> 02:50:41,771
thoughts about that

3627
02:50:46,530 --> 02:50:44,740
man man man Tanner you know that's the

3628
02:50:49,261 --> 02:50:46,540
most touchy a subject that you can bring

3629
02:50:51,001 --> 02:50:49,271
up I mean they're so absolutely I mean

3630
02:50:53,220 --> 02:50:51,011
that's like bringing up who's better

3631
02:50:54,600 --> 02:50:53,230
Kobe or Michael Jordan you know all

3632
02:51:02,070 --> 02:50:54,610
you're going to do is cause a fight

3633
02:51:05,400 --> 02:51:02,080
right but did see and this is the no

3634
02:51:11,371 --> 02:51:05,410
matter what you say no matter what your

3635
02:51:15,661 --> 02:51:11,381
position on evolution or creation or et

3636
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:15,671
involvement or panspermia whatever you

3637
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:18,730
bring up when it comes to this you are

3638
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:22,240
going to find hundreds of thousands of

3639
02:51:27,900 --> 02:51:24,490
people ganging up on you from the other

3640
02:51:32,491 --> 02:51:27,910
side it's like it's like vegans or it's

3641
02:51:35,541 --> 02:51:32,501
like a global warming right no matter

3642
02:51:39,291 --> 02:51:35,551
what no matter what position you take

3643
02:51:42,030 --> 02:51:39,301
there's going to be the opposite now so

3644
02:51:48,110 --> 02:51:42,040
you have listen to Graham and you're

3645
02:51:52,140 --> 02:51:48,120
you're feeling he is he is Darwinian

3646
02:51:57,180 --> 02:51:52,150
right there okay and you are inflamed

3647
02:51:59,850 --> 02:51:57,190
right but absolutely after what I did of

3648
02:52:03,810 --> 02:51:59,860
course I know I know and I love Lloyd

3649
02:52:07,020 --> 02:52:03,820
pie man I love this if I told if Rita

3650
02:52:10,820 --> 02:52:07,030
told you how much I listen to Lloyd Pye

3651
02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:10,830
right you would lose your mind so I

3652
02:52:16,261 --> 02:52:13,330
understand where you're coming from here

3653
02:52:19,051 --> 02:52:16,271
and and I quote Lloyd Pye a lot and I

3654
02:52:21,661 --> 02:52:19,061
miss that guy dearly he is the one

3655
02:52:23,701 --> 02:52:21,671
person that I didn't get a chance to

3656
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:23,711
interview you know how how much does

3657
02:52:29,551 --> 02:52:27,040
that suck right I was loved a man I

3658
02:52:32,581 --> 02:52:29,561
woulda worn Lloyd Pye out he would have

3659
02:52:36,451 --> 02:52:32,591
been on the show once a week but but

3660
02:52:38,881 --> 02:52:36,461
anyway I understand where you're coming

3661
02:52:42,301 --> 02:52:38,891
from but you have to yeah also have to

3662
02:52:48,030 --> 02:52:42,311
remember I have been battling over the

3663
02:52:51,751 --> 02:52:48,040
last six months email from the Darwin

3664
02:52:54,639 --> 02:52:51,761
supporters that absent Elling you I get

3665
02:52:59,290 --> 02:52:54,649
it I get five ten emails

3666
02:53:03,149 --> 02:52:59,300
a arguing with me about this and and I

3667
02:53:05,949 --> 02:53:03,159
it's it's you know I don't get people

3668
02:53:08,229 --> 02:53:05,959
supporting me right I get the people

3669
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:08,239
that take the time to write me are the

3670
02:53:13,420 --> 02:53:10,640
ones that are angry and want to tell me

3671
02:53:17,019 --> 02:53:13,430
how wrong I am and how unread I am and I

3672
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:17,029
need to go and read you know it's the

3673
02:53:24,580 --> 02:53:18,890
origin of species' man you need to go

3674
02:53:27,149 --> 02:53:24,590
you know no I don't I don't I have my

3675
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:27,159
opinion to buy it

3676
02:53:32,859 --> 02:53:31,279
listen I got to run here at the end of

3677
02:53:37,109 --> 02:53:32,869
the show I've got like 30 seconds Tanner

3678
02:53:39,909 --> 02:53:37,119
but I I have listened to Graham's

3679
02:53:42,760 --> 02:53:39,919
statements on certain things about the

3680
02:53:46,029 --> 02:53:42,770
cultures before gobekli tepe

3681
02:53:48,639 --> 02:53:46,039
and it kind of freaks me out a little

3682
02:53:51,909 --> 02:53:48,649
bit but you know what it's his opinion

3683
02:53:54,929 --> 02:53:51,919
and and just maybe there's a little

3684
02:53:57,250 --> 02:53:54,939
piece of Darwin in a little piece of

3685
02:53:59,559 --> 02:53:57,260
creationist and there's a little piece

3686
02:54:01,630 --> 02:53:59,569
of religion and there's a little piece

3687
02:54:05,199 --> 02:54:01,640
of it and there's a you know and it all

3688
02:54:08,920 --> 02:54:05,209
adds up that the truth is and this is

3689
02:54:13,719 --> 02:54:08,930
the truth Graham doesn't know you don't

3690
02:54:18,130 --> 02:54:13,729
know I don't know nobody knows nobody I

3691
02:54:20,050 --> 02:54:18,140
think we'll try it new okay I'll talk to

3692
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:20,060
you Tana thank you for the phone call my

3693
02:54:23,380 --> 02:54:20,510
friend

3694
02:54:25,090 --> 02:54:23,390
yes sir Halligan that thank you too he's

3695
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absolutely right right there

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Lloyd Pye did no there's no question

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about it

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all right well that concludes another

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episode of fade to black got to thank

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Richard bleep and Dolan great

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conversation tonight state of blacks

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executive producers Riddick Omarion

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shows produced by him Jay Paul Marty

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colbaugh l j3 rene Jonas Thank You

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Dennis thank you Bob announces our Steve

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harder Jeeva Toa Marty colbaugh ad by

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del Webmaster drew the geek music doug

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aldrich intro space boys space boy music

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calm data black is produced by kjsurya

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network in syndication as kg ra the

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planet those broadcasters own and

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copyright a 2017 by fade to black in the

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game-changing network

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it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe without written permission from

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fade to black of the game change your

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network tomorrow night right here Corey

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good I'm your host Jimmy Church until

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tomorrow night I want everybody to be

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safe